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Pulling backhoe with dually

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Grant MD

11-28-2004 12:00:30




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Does anyone have any experience pulling a backhoe with a ford 350 or similar sized truck?

I ask because I've seen other people do it, one with a fifth wheel, the other with a tagalong. but i havent been able to ask them how it handles. We have a case 580M that we use in the custom home business, but we cant afford to justify buying a dump truck to pull it around. However, we can do a ford dually as the next work truck in a year or so. If its not too hard on the truck its worth investing in, but if its gonna tear the truck up then maybe its best to stick with the 20 mile an hour over the road driving. We would be transporting the machine about 10-30 miles once every two weeks, give or take what we're doing at the time. I haven't looked at the numbers for the trucks yet, but i've seen other people do it. A few weeks ago I was passed on the highway by a ford 350 with fifth wheel, pulling an IH 1086 and round baler. I was doing 65 and he passed me. Have I been underestimating these trucks? I have a 250 with the 7.3 diesel that i've been thrilled with. I have no doubt about pulling the tractor, but my main concern is stopping it. Does the truck have enough... "hind-end" to stay on the road and in control should a sticky situation arrise?

Because this would be a work truck, it would have the full set of tool boxes and possibly a set of racks, so the fifth wheel trailer might not be an option. Would the tagalong be suitable, or would it wear out the truck too soon?

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James E. Zahn

12-07-2004 10:40:17




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 Re: Pulling backhoe with dually in reply to Grant MD, 11-28-2004 12:00:30  
From Pennsylvania, Here in PA it goes something...almost exactly...like this. The GVWR of your "dually" (I"m estimating) is probably 12,000 lbs. Now here in PA the GVWR of the towing vehicle, your dually, must be equal to or greater than the actual weight of your dually+ stuff and the empty weight of your trailer(combine weights). Also your trailer GVWR must always be in complience (i.e. trailer and load less than or equal to 12,000 lbs.). So, if backhoe weighs 15,000 lbs. (as estimate from other post which is probably a good one) you will need to find a trailer that has at least a 21,000 lbs. GVWR and only weighs 6000 lbs. I would guess that is hard to find. Estimate truck @6000+trailer@6000= 12,000 lbs. Note all trailers here in PA over 3000 lbs. must have there own brakes (electric acceptable). Now the practical, I have an E350 van(one ton) with a GVWR of 10,400 lbs. I pull a 3 horse stock trailer GVWR 10,000 lbs. with electric brakes. The truck and empty trailer weighs 10,300 lbs.I put 10,000 lbs. of RR ties in both the van and trailer and with the 7.3L diesel (a bumper pull) drove a 60 mile trip on the highway and never went under 45 mph with the hills of western PA. Impressive! As I neared home I was going down a 4 or 5% grade, (not that steep for here), to a stop sign intersection where you had to go left or right and I almost went straight. As for a CDL...not needed unless your truck is over 26,000 lbs. GVWR and your trailer is rated over 10,000. As for insurance...get lots of it!

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jhill

12-01-2004 06:49:18




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 Re: Pulling backhoe with dually in reply to Grant MD, 11-28-2004 12:00:30  
The others are right. Make sure the GVWR rating is correct for the load you want to haul. A 1 ton is only rated at about 15,000 lbs total. the backhoe probably weight that by itself. You might have to go to an F-450. Also get a trailer with brakes on all the axles.

You may also need a CDL and commercial plates and insurance. Adds up quickly.



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Dale(MO)

11-29-2004 04:50:11




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 Re: Pulling backhoe with dually in reply to Grant MD, 11-28-2004 12:00:30  
Grant,
I see people do this all the time, but I don"t want to be anywhere close to them when they do it. You haven"t underestimated these truck - others have overestimated them. A one-ton may pull the load without grunting, but you will never stop it as fast as you will need to. And, as Allen said, the D.O.T. (big truck cops) here in MO are really cracking down on these guys pulling goosenecks behind ton trucks. My advice would be to get a 2-ton truck (preferably with air brakes). You had said you wanted to buy a company truck next year, does it have to be a one-ton? And it doesn"t have to be a dump truck, you can buy one with a utility bed and still carry all your tool and such. I would check the used market (trucks seem to be getting cheaper all the time), but a new one really won"t be much more than a full-dress one ton. Good luck!

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Allan/CA

11-28-2004 14:36:56




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 Re: Pulling backhoe with dually in reply to Grant MD, 11-28-2004 12:00:30  

They do out here quite often but Chp is checking to make sure your truck is heavy enough for the load. Most of the guys use goose neck trailers because you can shift some load to truck. The big thing is if you ever get into an accident, even if your not at fault you can get into trouble if your rig not up to the leagle standard. You can put anything on a trailer and go down the road until something happens. Starting to see more of the meduim duty trucks being set up to pull, not much difference in price just more capacity.

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