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12 V battery in a 6V system

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Polk Crawler

11-28-2004 15:33:31




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Bought a long-idle OC46 off a tractor dealer lot. Shop personnel used a 12V battery to start it for loading, I used a 12V battery for unloading. Bought a 6V battery for it but, as usual, turns over pretty slow before starting.

I have considered coverting to a complete 12V system..battery, voltage regulator, alternator, lights, etc. When the ship comes in might do it.

Thurs my brother-in-law diesel mechanic suggested using a 12 V battery for quicker starting IF: A. carb is set up OK; B. don't lean on the starter to avoid burning it up; C. recognize a 6 V system won't pump 13+ V back into the 12V battery for charging.

The rig gets only occasional use and I can well take time, when necessary, to charge the battery back up to full.

I have never read or heard what my b-i-l suggested. I question the wisdom or good sense of doing that even if it would save expense of the alternator, regulator, lights etc in a coversion.

Would appreciate advice pro and con about this.

Many thanks,
PC

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Shovelman

11-29-2004 17:48:14




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 Re: 12 V battery in a 6V system in reply to Polk Crawler, 11-28-2004 15:33:31  

I converted my OC-46 over to 12V about 5 years ago. I used a 10si Delco Remy 1 wire alternator (available just about anywhere) and bought a wider pulley to accomodate the original width belt from a guy called Triodiode on eBay. I had to alter the mounting brackets a bit, but the installation looks factory.

I bought a 12V Echlin coil from NAPA, a 12V hourmeter off eBay and installed four 12V (2 front, 2 rear) lights as well.

The original starter and amp gauge were re-used with no problems. It cranks and starts like a dream, plus having bright lights to work at night is a bonus, with no worries about running down the battery.

My 2 cents: Spend the $200 and convert to 12V. You won"t be disappointed.

Regards,
Scott

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RAB

11-28-2004 23:23:30




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 Re: 12 V battery in a 6V system in reply to Polk Crawler, 11-28-2004 15:33:31  
If you use a batery without charging facilities on the tractor, make sure you don"t allow the battery to be left without a full charge. The "discharged" chemicals in your battery will soon become "sulphated" and useless, leading to reduced life and capacity. There are some specialist pulse chargers which can overcome this problem, to some extent.
Regards, RAB



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NC Wayne

11-28-2004 19:31:33




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 Re: 12 V battery in a 6V system in reply to Polk Crawler, 11-28-2004 15:33:31  
Old is right, it shouldn't hurt the starter. We converted our 440 Deere dozer to a 12V system with a single wire alternator and used the origional 6V starter for nearly 10 years before having to replace it due to a mechanical breakdown, not electrical. The 6V starter takes twice as many amps to operate as a 12V so the internals are insulated alot heavier than a 12V. Therefore it will work going from 6V to 12V, but not the other way around. As far as the charging system if you still have a generator all you need to replace is the voltage regulator. The generator doesn't care how much it puts out, it's the voltage regulator that controls it. We just converted an old 212 CAT grader from pony to electric start and from 6 to 24V. We had the old generator rebuilt just for GP, but all we had to change system wise was the voltage regulator.

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old

11-28-2004 17:21:58




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 Re: 12 V battery in a 6V system in reply to Polk Crawler, 11-28-2004 15:33:31  
Doesn't hurt a thing, a 6 volt battery puts out twice the amps that a 12 does so the starter is more likely to burn up then with a 12 volt. I use a 12 volt on all my tractors no matter what, some are switched over to 12 and some are not but when you want it to start 12 will before 6 will. I have an Oliver OC-3 that is 6 but since I have had it I have always used a 12 volt battery on it, never any problem.

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