Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Crawlers, Dozers, Loaders & Backhoes Discussion Forum

JD 350B Reverser Bolts

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
JSherman66

01-24-2005 14:06:25




Report to Moderator

I'm new to working on JD Crawlers and I have a chance to buy a 350B in great shape, with one exception. The bolts that hold the reverser in place are stripped out. According to the current owner he installed the reverser without torquing the bolts and using loctite, I have not researched this much but my question is, is there enough meat around those bolts to install heli-coils or some other type of thread inserts?

Thanks,
Jimmy

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
GLewis

01-27-2005 05:14:51




Report to Moderator
 Re: JD 350B Reverser Bolts in reply to JSherman66, 01-24-2005 14:06:25  
There is one other solution to your problem not mentioned. See if you can find a straight gear transmisson w/o the reverser from a boneyard. They came on the plain jane machines and the logger specials. I have a 350B with that setup. It had umteen hours when I got it with everything worn out but the trans. Without the reverser you just have to stop to change gears. You probably would not want it in a loader but as a dozer, no big deal and it is a lot easier on the finals, etc. as you always come to a stop to change directions. $5,000 for a good machine w/winch is not too bad, hate to tell you what I have in mine afer complete engine and track r & r. You would still be ahead if you had to put $1,000 to $1,500 in the trans.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
jdemaris

01-27-2005 05:54:56




Report to Moderator
 Re: JD 350B Reverser Bolts in reply to GLewis, 01-27-2005 05:14:51  
I've also got a "loggers special." They're kind of rare around here. Mine is a 350, not a B, has a clutch driven transmission (no optional hydraulic reverser), a #10 winch, a ROPS, and a mechanically operated 6-way blade. It's hydraulic up and down, but the rest gets locked in place with wedges. We used to get a quite a few requests from owners of 440s, 1010s, and 350s who wanted to eliminate their reversers. The parts are pretty hard to come by, and when found, usually not worth the expense. 440 was different setup, but the intention or getting rid of the reverser was the same. A friend of mine DID just find one. He wasn't looking for a "loggers special" per sé, just wanted a 10,000 lbs. class crawler to fix up. He bought a 350 like mine, no reverser, #10 winch, mechanical blade, real bad undercarriage inluding cracked cross bar, stuck steering clutches, and a cracked final drive on one side. He just paid $5000 for it and is now trying to figure out how to move it and get it home since one final is off and laying and laying on the ground.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
AndrewD

01-24-2005 21:40:10




Report to Moderator
 Re: JD 350B Reverser Bolts in reply to JSherman66, 01-24-2005 14:06:25  
my dads 350 had the same problem. he had the reverser rebuilt and then the bolts wouldnt stay tight. it got to the point where the two bolts came out and the two studs snaped off. i ended up dismantling the whole machine and ended up bolting just the reverser and tranny together first with new studs and bolts. for insurance i used loctight and then tack welded the bolts and havent had a problem yet. i also ended up replacing the frame rails. you might want to check to see if they are cracked or broken.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
jdemaris

01-24-2005 20:01:36




Report to Moderator
 Re: JD 350B Reverser Bolts in reply to JSherman66, 01-24-2005 14:06:25  
We fixed lots of them at our Deere dealership. It was a common problem with 350s. What causes it originally, from what I've seen, is the first time the reverser has to be pulled, and then put back in, the bolts never get tightened properly - it's darn near impossible. We had many discussions about this with Deere engineers. When the 350s were assembled at the factory, the reversers and transmissions were bolted together first and then installed as a unit. This way there was better access to the fasteners for tightening. Not the case once it's in the crawler. I had many opportunities to remove a reverser for the first time on a fairly new machine. It was near impossible to remove the bolts since they were so tight. A conventional box-end wrench would usually strip, bend, or break before the bolt would come loose - and you cannot get a socket on it. We made several types or wrenchs, some with chains hooked them, but often we had to heat the bolt heads cherry red and ruin them in order to get them out for the first time. If we had some way of putting the crawlers high in the air we might have had better success, but that was not the case. We usually had crawlers on blocks, maybe two feet off the ground. That does not give you enough room and leverage with a 1 1/8" wrench for the bottom bolts. On the top, the nuts on the studs were not a problem. Now with your problem, there are two studs with nuts on top, and two bolts on the bottom - so four fasteners all together. They all can be helicoiled once - but . . . if it's been loose for awhile - it has worse problems. There are two locating dowels between the two cases. If it's been run with the bolts loose and/or stripped, the dowel holes will be egg-shaped. And, once that happens, there's not a bolt in the world that will hold that thing together properly. We has a special reclaiming jig for boring the holes and installing oversize dowels. Also, a few times we sent cases to a machine shop, had the holes welded and rebored. Very exspensive proposition. Sometimes it was cheaper to install new -or good used replacement cases - or sometimes we'd scrap the crawler and part it out. Also, as the other guy mentioned, the sideframes are usually broken but can easily be fixed. They will keep on breaking though unless you get those cases tight.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
SteveB

01-24-2005 17:22:44




Report to Moderator
 Re: JD 350B Reverser Bolts in reply to JSherman66, 01-24-2005 14:06:25  
Jimmy, I don't think you will be able to heli coil what you are talking about.The reverser is bolted to tranny with studs 5/8 I think. Anyway there is just enough room to fit the nut on the studs in the identations on the reverser. I know this because I have the same problem with My 350B. This can cause all kinds of problems. Ask the guy if he replaced the splined coupling or the transmision main shaft, this is what would go if trans and reverser are not connected tight. Anyway I wouldnt offer much more than 5000 with that problem. I would ask how he knew the bolts were stripped, I'm surprised he told you, that's cool... steve

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
JSherman66

01-24-2005 17:36:51




Report to Moderator
 Re: JD 350B Reverser Bolts in reply to SteveB, 01-24-2005 17:22:44  
He said he did replace the shaft & coupling before this happened, he said the reverser backed off. I am wondering if he put bolts in where the studs should be, I think that may be the case. This is really a nice dozer other than this problem, even has a tall blade and a winch. And it's considerably less than $5,000. Any thoughts on how to fix this or what else could cause the reverser to back off? What is the solution on your 350B?

Thanks,
Jimmy

Jimmy

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
SteveB

01-25-2005 04:41:33




Report to Moderator
 Re: JD 350B Reverser Bolts in reply to JSherman66, 01-24-2005 17:36:51  
I would buy it and then look around for a trans.
I have been running mine like this for about a year around the house, just go easy.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
donol60

01-24-2005 19:00:46




Report to Moderator
 Re: JD 350B Reverser Bolts in reply to JSherman66, 01-24-2005 17:36:51  
HI; JIM I have replaced the stripped studs with 7/8 bolts same length as old stud,cut the head off,put in a lathe turn new stud down to 5/8 dia. leave a one inch length of 7/8 threads, cut 5/8 threads on balance of stud. Drill and tap 7/8 threads in stipped out area. Check frame rails where they bolt to rear housing,they may be cracked or bolts may be broken,winch on rear does not help things. DON

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
JSherman66

01-25-2005 08:21:10




Report to Moderator
 Re: JD 350B Reverser Bolts in reply to donol60, 01-24-2005 19:00:46  
Thanks guys, I'll go ahead and buy it and will no doubt be asking more questions in the weeks to come as I dig into it.

Thanks,
Jimmy



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy