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Dillon

02-08-2005 06:54:32

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I saw you post below about 450 value and was wondering were the jd 450 was that needs the trans work. I'am looking for a good 450 for a good price and I dont mind doing some work on it if its not going to cost an arm and leg. What would be involved in fixing it? I located in ny. thank you

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jdemaris

02-08-2005 19:27:54

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Re: ? for jdemaris in reply to Dillon, 02-08-2005 06:54:32

An old guy living between Lake George and Glens Falls in the Adirondacks, New York has it. I was up his place last week to buy some bottom rollers for my AC HD4. He bought the 450 knowing the trans. slipped when hot, but thought he could fix it by just adjusting the pressure valve linkage. It didn't work, so I assume it's got some serious problems inside the trans. It's possible, though, that it's just the engine clutch slipping - but I doubt it. If that was the case, it ought to slip all the time. This does NOT slip when cold, only when hot - as told to me. I don't see too many cheap 450s around with 6-way blades. I'd buy it if I didn't already have two machines torn apart in my shop. I'm fixing up an AC HD4 with a 6-way blade, but I'd rather have the Deere. I did not check the machine over closely - it wasn't the reason I was there, my wife and son were with me, and it was cold, and the snow was deep. The crawler was parked in a barn with no electricity, so there was no way to plug the block heater in. It looked pretty good, I didn't see any broken bushings in the tracks. Machine did not look too beat up. Old guy said it runs good, and steers good - but don't take my word for it. He told me he paid $4100 for it and wants to get his money back out of it. If you are seriously interested, I'll call him and ask if it's okay to post his phone number. Or, you can call his son who lives in northen New York by the Canadian border. The old guy in Lake George has a tractor parts/junkyard up there where his son lives. Since his son adverstises parts once in awhile, I don't see a problem with posting his number. (315) 353-2316

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dillon

02-09-2005 06:10:27

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Re: ? for jdemaris in reply to jdemaris, 02-08-2005 19:27:54

I may be interested. If you don't mind can you answer a few more ? for me. Is the h-l-r tranny the same unit as the 1-2-3-4-5 tranny or are they sperate like a transfer case on a truck? Can it be rebuilt? Would it be better to rebuild or buy used or is it to commen that a used one may not be any better. Also were are you located? I'am near kingston ny. I ask this because I know some about dozers but not everything and would like to have somone look at it with me that knows more about it. If you don't mind Thank You

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jdemaris

02-09-2005 06:41:37

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Re: ? for jdemaris in reply to dillon, 02-09-2005 06:10:27

I'm in Otsego County, about 15 miles from Cooperstown, Oneonta, and Cobleskill. Couple of hours from Kingston. The HL-R transmission in the 2010 and 450 series crawlers is one of the best Deere ever built. I worked for several Deere dealers and we had very little trouble with them, as compared to the hydraulic reversers in the smaller 1010s and 350s - which we had apart often. 450 with HL-R is set up this way. Engine is coupled to the HL-R and then to a four speed gear transmission. So, it has two transmissions. There are no driveshafts inbetween. The HL-R is a hydraulic clutch transmission with its own internal hydraulic system. It has two speeds forward - high and low, and one speed in reverse. It can be shifted, on the go, without using the clutch pedal between any combination of high, low, or reverse. The four speed gear transmission serves as a "range" transmission. It tends to be in second range most of the time. It can only be shifted when the machine is stopped and the clutch pedal all the way in. As far as repairing an HL-R? Well, no matter how rugged the trans. is, anything can be worn out. I know nothing about the history of the machine, e.g. if it's ever been rebuilt - so anything is possible. It might need only a few parts, or maybe a lot. I'm sure they're all available, but they're costly if new from Deere. For a trans. to be slipping in all speeds, it sounds like some sort of general problem, not specific to any one clutch. But, if you were to pull it all apart, and find a few failed items, and the rest half-worn but still working - what are you going to do? If I went through the work of pulling it all apart, I'd do it right - i.e. total rebuild. Could cost well over a $1000 in parts. Expect the worse, and hope for the best.

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ohkentucky

02-13-2005 20:26:07

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Re: ? for jdemaris in reply to jdemaris, 02-09-2005 06:41:37

Hello. I spoke to you before about a 450 hlr trans. You say the parts could cost over 1000. I called the dealer about some prices and they wanted 850 just for an oil pump, another 800 for the clutch manifold. I am still trying to find a reasonable source for parts but it looks like the dealer has a lock on these parts. I new parts would be high when I bought this machine but was suprised at just how high they are. I figure to do these trans right it could be around 3,000 and thats not replacing any clutches, just the soft parts. Mine has a worn out clutch manifold and oil pump. You mentioned once before about twin disc being a supplier for deere. I called one twin disc supplier and they say these are dealer parts only. Can you shed any light on this? If this continues like this much longer I believe I will just sell mine for parts and go buy one already running. thanks for any help. JP

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jdemaris

02-14-2005 05:31:21

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Re: ? for jdemaris in reply to ohkentucky, 02-13-2005 20:26:07

Sorry, but I can't be of much help. I'm kind of out of the loop. All the years I worked for Deere dealers, we used Deere parts only - and I haven't worked for a dealer since 1991. The only time we looked elsewhere for parts is when Deere Co. was held hostage by the United Auto Workers Union and had no parts for almost a year. That was sometime during the 80s. Since then, I've heard or read about people buying aftermarket parts, but never verified it. I could cry whenever I think of all the good parts we scrapped, considering what they cost now. We did a lot of transmission jobs where everything got replaced - regardless if the parts were bad or not. This included Powershift transmissions and HL-Rs. Seems we used to buy what Deere called "modules" that came with all the primary parts. This resulted in a lot of good used parts getting scrapped. If you DO find a source for parts, please post it. I don't own any Deere machines right now except for a 300, 1010, and 2010 - but you never know. When I was a Deere mechanic, I thought Deere made the best equipment. Now, I'm not so sure. I own a bunch of Allis Chalmers crawlers and a couple of Case backhoes and farm tractors - and they are very rugged and well built machines - at least as good as most Deeres - in some cases better. Deere seems to use more proprietary parts than anyone else.

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agri_con

02-10-2005 03:28:10

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Re: ? for jdemaris in reply to jdemaris, 02-09-2005 06:41:37

I'd also be interested in looking at it,I'm located in Glens Falls NY

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