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oil types and intervals ?

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Andy350

02-10-2005 13:30:06




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Hi,

In the manual the recommended oil for my JD350A diesel loader is single viscosity SAE 30 (for above 32F/0 deg C).

Question - after 30 or so years of improvements in oil technology is that still valid ? Whats the best to use ?

Along the same lines, they say to change the oil every 100 hours and the oil and filter every 200. So if I run her say for 4 hours a day I
have to change the oil every 25 days and filter every 50? Seems alot or am I just used to modern cars that go for ages between services ?

Final question: the previous owner swapped the original dual diesel filters for a single one from a VW Golf MkII, he said it was better and cheaper.

Is that true or should I swap back to the original (which he luckily didn't throw out)

Cheers

Andy

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jdemaris

02-10-2005 19:55:29




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 Re: oil types and intervals ? in reply to Andy350, 02-10-2005 13:30:06  
I'm not sure what machine you have unless it's a first series 350 crawler-loader? I never saw one called an A, they just went from 350, to 350B, to 350C, etc., &c. You mentioned it originally had two filters, so it sounds like a late 60s- early 70s Deere. With the filters, as I recall they are both the same micron capacity, i.e. they are not as you'd see in other systems where the first catches larger particles and second smaller ones. When I worked for Deere, they offered kits to change them over to a single filter design using Deere parts (actually made by Roosamaster/Stanadyne. Most later 350s, 450s, and ag. tractors have a single rectangular filter and it works fine. It has a large surface area that is probably equal to the two old round filters, with a water trap and drain at the bottom. It is much easier to change than the old round dual setups Deere had - and did away with. It is likely there is nothing wrong with the Volkswagen filter you have as long as it can catch water. It's micron filtering, if anything, is probably finer than the original Deere filters, so it protects better. Only downside is it might plug sooner. But . . . it MUST trap water, if a few drops of water make it into your fuel injection pump, it will trash it. I've got two Volkswagen diesels, and they have excellent fuel systems - but part of that is a water-traps under the fuel tank before it gets to the filter. So, I don't know if the filter you have is set up for trapping water or not. If fuel exits the top of the filter, and there is a drain on the bottom, then it's fine. As far a motor oil goes - there's nothing wrong with using the original recommendations for straight 30W in the summer and straight 10W in the winter - but it's a lot easier to just run a good diesel rated 15W-40. This holds especially true for a machine that is only used occasionally. Deere started recommending 15W-40 CD rated oil in the early 80s (that CD rating is up to what now, CJ, SJ, H, or higher?) We had a fleet of rental machines as well as customers' machines that we maintained and never had any oil-related problems either way. EXCEPT for the year Quaker State had a bad batch of HDX diesel oil, and there were tractors and highway trucks blowing up all over the country - 1979 I think. They had one heck of a lawsuit after that. I've never used Quakerstate again. The only caution we used with oil is this. If you get a machine that is very sludged up - which is rare now adays - you'd might want to play it safe and use a med-detergent oil rather than a high detergent oil like Deere sells as Torqguard. As far as comparing oil change intervals with road vehicles - you can't - unless you REALLY beat the crap out of your car or truck. It's assumed that machines like crawlers get pushed to limit, lugged, abused, etc. - most of the time. A diesel engine also puts a lot more soot in the oil than a gas engine, that why diesel oil has special additives to keep the soot in suspension until you drain the oil and get rid of it.

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NC Wayne

02-10-2005 18:31:05




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 Re: oil types and intervals ? in reply to Andy350, 02-10-2005 13:30:06  
As far as oil types and change intervals I've often asked the same questions over the years. Problem is no matter who you ask you'll almost get a different answer, and often they contridict each other. Alot of the problem is there are so many types and brands of oil out there nowdays and each oil has it's own special qualities. The one I currently run in my service truck is supposed to go the 15,000 mile recommended change interval and then go at least that far again as long as I change the filter at the required interval and top it off. Other cheaper oils aren't gonna last beyond the end of the drive way before they break down and become basically worthless. Then you get into what kind of conditions the machine is being run in, because one run a few hours a day in dry conditions is gonna need different attention than one run hard in high humidity, while another is gonna need different attention because it runs in an extremely dusty environment, and so on. Beyond that all I can say is try the link below and look around the site and see what you can find. I haven't been on there in a while so I don't know what all is there now but last time I visited there was alot of good info. They also have a good magazine. It's often a little more technical on the properties of different oils than most of us used to but you can still learn alot from it. As far as the fuel filter, put the old ones back. This gives you the primary filter which is typically designed to catch any big contamination as well as trap water. Then it passes it on to the secondary which is usually a finer/smaller micron rated filter to catch everything else. As bad dirty as I see fuel getting nowdays, as well as the fact that most equipment winds up getting filled pretty often with 5 gallon buckets of "questionable cleanliness" the more filtration you have the better off you are. Just my .02...

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