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350 or 350C ??

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jay glover 2

02-11-2005 09:06:37




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I hate to sound stupid but I recently purchased what was said to be a 350C. It even says it on the bill of sale and has all of the 350C decals on it. I recently picked up a 350 service and parts manual and from what I read, I may have a 350 instead of a 350C. Question are there any special exterior areas that a person can tell the differance without looking into the steering clutch assembly ( oil or dry)

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MrBill

02-13-2005 18:39:53




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 Re: 350 or 350C ?? in reply to jay glover 2, 02-11-2005 09:06:37  
You can also cross-reference the serial numbers to see what it is too.

MrBill



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jay glover 2

02-14-2005 04:35:09




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 Re: 350 or 350C ?? in reply to MrBill, 02-13-2005 18:39:53  
Thanks for the informations. From your discription, it seems I do have a C but there are some differances in the motor and hydrolics. The motor has twin, round fuel filters and the hydrolic filter and indicator are inside the resovior instead of setting sideways on top. I think they used a dukes mixture of parts when constucting this critter.



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srs/MN

02-14-2005 14:59:47




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 Re: 350 or 350C ?? in reply to jay glover 2, 02-14-2005 04:35:09  
I had both a 350 and a 350C... the most obvious difference I can remember was that the reverser lever was on the dashboard on the 350 and on the left armrest on the 350C... (I think the "B"s had that setup, too). My 350C had the hydraulic filter in the reservoir, even though the parts book that came with the tractor showed it as being an external spin on filter... it had the rectangular glass fuel filter, though. If it's a loader it is easy to tell the difference, as the loader linkages are totally different, but I don't know about the dozers.
Steve in MN

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jdemaris

02-11-2005 17:36:48




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 Re: 350 or 350C ?? in reply to jay glover 2, 02-11-2005 09:06:37  
350C has an aluminum bung plug on top of each final drive because of the hydraulic steering clutches, a 350 does not. 350C usually does not have reverse in the gear transmission, a 350 always does. 350C has two hydraulic valve spools that the steering levers hook to, a 350 does not except if it has power steering there will be two large separate cylinders there - but not a one piece valve body with two spools in it. Early 350s don't have automotive type ignition keys, 350C does. Early 350s don't have a single rectangular fuel filter (unless they've been updated), all 350Cs do.

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Mike from cny

02-13-2005 20:28:16




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 Re: 350 or 350C ?? in reply to jdemaris, 02-11-2005 17:36:48  
jdemaris, whats the difference between the 350/350B/350C? my neighbor has a 350B crawler/loader and I"ve seen the 350C dozers. Will a B always have the loader configuration and the C always have the blade? Is there a good website out there that depicts serial #"s and etc. Also what do you think of the 350 series? I heard they were underpowered which doesnt seem okay, but I could be wrong. The neighbor next door has a older 350B diesel and I"ve watched him since I was a kid use it around his house and would love to get one eventually, just to play around and push dirt, and his seemed to do alright pushing dirt around etc. What do you think?

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jdemaris

02-14-2005 06:15:43




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 Re: 350 or 350C ?? in reply to Mike from cny, 02-13-2005 20:28:16  
The first two 350 series, i.e. the 350, 350B, were all available as six-way dozers, outside blade dozers, or loaders. Also came as a "loggers special" with a mechanical 6-way blade locked in place with metal wedges and no reverser. I don't know about the C series - because when we were selling the Cs new, I never saw a loader - just 6-way blade dozers. That doesn't mean Deere didn't make them, but we didn't sell any and I never researched the matter. 350C with 6-way blade, ROPS with limb-risers, and winch was a very popular machine with loggers for bunching logs up to the skidway where the skidder took over. Seems though, during the late 80s, it lost favor and more loggers chose the more rugged and powerful 450C series. As far as differences between the series - some are visible, and some are internal and NOT visible. I can mention a few. The first 350s, when they replaced the 1010s were not much different from the later B series. There were minor changes in the steering clutch housings, side-frames, internal parts of the optional hydraulic reverser, and the way the trackframes were connected. Also, power-steering was more common in the B series - but still was optional. As far as a difference in power, this is none - they are both the same regardless if gas or diesel. Diesels have less power per cubic inch than gas engines (generally speaking), so Deere had the 135 gas engine or the 152 diesel - both with the same horsepower rating. 350 dozers seemed to have enough power for their size, but 350 loaders were very underpowered. We had many 350 dozer owners that were satisfied with their machines until they used a 450 - then it was hard to go back. 450 has a lot more pushing power, especially the 450B turbo series, and on. With the C series came hydraulically activated wet steering clutches. Also, the track-frames now floated on dowels instead of being bolted solid. I believe reverse no longer existed in the gear-transmission and the hydraulic reverser came standard and was no longer only an option. Gas engines were no longer available. Somewhere during late C production, or the intro. to the D series, a new engine was used - the three cylinder 179 cubic inch diesel. It has more power and is more durable because it uses Keystone piston rings. The trouble-prone torsional isolator that drives the reverser was completely changed. That's all I can think of at the moment, and our Deere dealership went out of business at the time of the D series - so I can't comment after that.

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