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Water in Oil/ JD350 dozer

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TracyC

02-21-2005 11:31:11




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Driving down to clear a slide on the road I noticed liquid streaming down the crankcase vent tube, checked the dipstick and it was covered with watered down oil. My question is what should be my next moves. I noticed no loss of performance and may have been operating about 1/2hr. in this condition. It sits on our road/trail about 600ft. from where I could get transport. The manual lists leaking head gasket, Cylinder liner packings leaking,Cylinder block water jacket cracked and Cylinder liner cracked as possible causes. Two years ago it had a new piston and liner kit installed with the head being machined, with a new head gasket installed. How should I proceed from here? How important is it that I get the water out fast, how? Then what? It sits precariously on the side of a mountain, it is however level. Thanks for any help in advance I"m pretty new to this and appreciate any suggestions, Sincerely, Tracy

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SteveB

02-22-2005 12:15:53




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 Re: Water in Oil/ JD350 dozer in reply to TracyC, 02-21-2005 11:31:11  
Tracy I would pull it out with another machine. In neutral it should pull easily. Try some radiator stop leak to get you back.



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jdemaris

02-21-2005 15:47:50




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 Re: Water in Oil/ JD350 dozer in reply to TracyC, 02-21-2005 11:31:11  
Big danger is . . . once it sits for a while, and you start it back up, you apt to get some pure water through the oil pump and then spin a main bearing. So, if you go to start it again, pull the drain plug out and drain off any water first. I was a Deere mechanic for a long time, and I don't believe I've ever seen one leak coolant into the oil from a bad head gasket. I can also say that I've NEVER seen a head bolt fail on the little 152 c.i. engine, and I don't replace them. Now that engine, originally, only had one o-ring per sleeve and they were chronic leakers (water into the oil). It got fixed later with the 350Bs and on with added o-ring grooves in the block itself. So, new liners for an old 350 are considered an "update kit" and come with added o-ring grooves on the liners themselves converting it to a three sealing ring per sleeve engine. Hopefully, that is what you installed. Once that's been done, and done properly, they last a long time. In fact, I've never seen one torn down due to leakage, just for routine rebuilds when worn out. We DID have similar problems with the larger engines getting pinholes in the sleeves from cavatation. I assume your crawler doesn't have any extra engine oil coolers added in the radiator, or under the oil filter - so it sounds like a tear down is in order. If you pull the pan, you'll see the leak right away if it is a liner.

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TracyC

02-21-2005 16:09:10




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 Re: Water in Oil/ JD350 dozer in reply to jdemaris, 02-21-2005 15:47:50  
Thankyou for the advice. I need to get it off the mountain and into a dry place. When I pull the drain plug and just let the obvious water come out, should I add more oil, does it matter and how soon I do this? I will have to drive it down to the road and on and off a transport I guessing about 1200 yards. Thankyou for the help, sincerely, Tracy



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jdemaris

02-21-2005 17:10:18




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 Re: Water in Oil/ JD350 dozer in reply to TracyC, 02-21-2005 16:09:10  
Water in the oil is not good for the engine under any conditions, but pure water will lock the engine right up. A few drops in a main bearing and it acts like a brake-band. If the machine sits, some of the water will separate from the oil, . . and then if you start it you might ruin the engine. So, if you have to move it, drain off any obvious water, put some oil back into the engine, and then move it. We used to buy a chemical that was added to oil to make it soluable with water - but I don't think it's available anymore. You didn't mention earlier if you used Deere parts or aftermarket when rebuilding the engine. It shouldn't matter, but there are some inferior parts around. I've seen some head gaskets that shrink, or settle a lot, and require retorquing after the engine is run abit. We didn't retorque the Deere head-gaskets and never had any problems that I am aware of. I don't know who makes the gaskets for Deere, but I think it's Victor-Reinz. Anyway, I mention that because - considering the 350 engine is so easy to work on - I'd pull the valve cover off and check the headbolts. If you find any that are REAL loose, then maybe you'll get lucky - and just replace the head gasket. I've never seen it happen with the 152 engine, but that doesn't prove anything. You can replace the head gasket in less than two hours on that machine.

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TracyC

02-21-2005 20:04:16




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 Re: Water in Oil/ JD350 dozer in reply to jdemaris, 02-21-2005 17:10:18  
Would draining all the oil and filling with new oil as well as replacing the filter be the safest scenario before I try to move it? Or is that of questionable value? Thanks again for all the great knowledge, sincerely, Tracy



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Harold Brunton

02-21-2005 13:59:21




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 Re: Water in Oil/ JD350 dozer in reply to TracyC, 02-21-2005 11:31:11  
Remove the belly pan,drain engine oil and then remove the engine oil pan. Get a radiator pressure tester and pressurize radiator. go under neath and look to see where the water is coming from,this will give you a indication of which cylinder to be looking at( you only have three so it narrows it down considerably.)Did you replace the head bolts with the updated ones when you did your headgasket? remove the head and inspect headgasket,doubt that it is your problem though, in all my experience it is usually the liners or the o-rings(cylinder packings). Remove the connecting rod,push piston out the top,get a brass drift and then drive out the liner, clean up the bloch and inspect where the o-rings go, if they are pitted I have siliconed the o-rings back in, not a good practice but it will work. push liner as far as it will go by hand, if it goes all the way good for you,if not get a block of wood and drive it home. Re-assemble as per manual.good luck,Harold

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TracyC

02-21-2005 16:14:48




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 Re: Water in Oil/ JD350 dozer in reply to Harold Brunton, 02-21-2005 13:59:21  
Thankyou for the info. I guess my main problem is moving it down to a transport and out of the rain, I live in Big Sur, CA and it is comming down. Thanks again, Tracy



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