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ossie

02-26-2005 18:35:40




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I have Champion 715 grader with a Detroit 471 engine in that is blown ( hole in both side of the block). The serial #4A228094 1043-7000 "RC" configeration RH engine Blower/Exaust on right, cam thrust front. Now I have not found a reasonalble price engine yet but I did find a Detroit 6V71 engine price right ($800). Now question is will this engine work in my grader?? I know it will take some moving of motor mounts but the real question is ,is the rotation of the engine correct and will the engine bolt up to the bell housing??? MY first experience with Detroit engines so I need all the help I can get.
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Ossie

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Ted Ambers

02-28-2005 17:23:09




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 Re: Detroit engine in reply to ossie, 02-26-2005 18:35:40  
Hi Ossie, I've been surfin around for parts/engine for a 353 detroit diesel. i came across a place called Surplusman that seems to have excellent prices and used engines. Most of the stuff is marine, but hey if it runs what the heck... surplusman.com is the web adress.



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rpg52

02-28-2005 09:26:32




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 Re: Detroit engine in reply to ossie, 02-26-2005 18:35:40  
Go on ebay and get an at least an operators and maybe a maintenance manual for your DD, 71 series. Even if you don't do the work yourself, you will understand how they are put together, and understand what you need. For less than $50 you will save lots of time and confusion, as they are a different design from all other diesel engines.
Ray



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NC Wayne

02-27-2005 17:07:07




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 Re: Detroit engine in reply to ossie, 02-26-2005 18:35:40  
Hey Ossie, your better off to get a reman or used engine than going through all the trouble of trying to hook up a 6V-71 in place of your 4-71. By swapping them you'd be adding another 142 CUinalong with nearly half again as much HP or more. Basically the driveline would never stand it. One thing is to make sure exactly what configuration the 4-71 is. Like another post stated the inlines can be set up in different ways. In fact there are 8 configurations, 4 with CW rotation and 4 CCW. I don't know for sure how your telling what you've got but never rely on the numbers on the block or the valve cover because as often as not the block, valve cover, or whole engine has been changed at some point in it's life and it could very well have had the rotation changed, etc in the process. One good place to get a used engine priced reasonable is Adelman's Truck Parts and Sales. A 4-71 will run you about $2650. I recently bought a Deutz from them. It was in great shape and started and ran great setting right there on the shipping pallet. Their number is (330) 456-0206. As a equipment mechanic my advice would be to buy a running takeout or a reman vs rebuilding yours. Unless you can do the rebuild yourself this is gonna be the most economical way for you to go. Right now, around here, I usually figure a rebuild at anywhere from $1500 to $2000 per cylinder. That includes parts and labor to remove, rebuild, and reinstall the engine. The $500 range usually gives me enough leway if machine shop costs are high, or for parts replacement in cases like yours where the block is wasted. You might try looking at some of the publications from Heartland. below I've put a link to the Contractors Hotline which is a good publication from them to begin your search. Here is the parent companys site also where you can link to all of their other publications like The Parts Conection, etc----http://www.hlipublishing.com/----Good luck.

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timg

02-27-2005 06:04:59




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 Re: Detroit engine in reply to ossie, 02-26-2005 18:35:40  
the extra power might tear up your driveline.....



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buickanddeere

02-26-2005 19:08:23




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 Re: Detroit engine in reply to ossie, 02-26-2005 18:35:40  
The 6V will bolt up and the accessories can be moved around. The two stroke detroits are modular. You can even turn the cam and crank around and run the engine backyards for use in a boat etc. At least install N series injectors in the 6V when it's easy to do.



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