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tncrawler

03-05-2005 16:30:27




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About 3 months ago I bought this 1010. The engine was cracked. I got it running long enough to see if I had a parts machine, or a fixer upper. I bought a 2010 combine engine to put in it. Today I was finally trying to start it, and it turned, but was too slow. After it turned about oh 20 revolutions, it just locked up.If anybody could give me any help, it would be appreciated. thanks




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jdemaris

03-05-2005 19:37:05




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 Re: 1010c in reply to tncrawler, 03-05-2005 16:30:27  
Without knowing all the details, and you're sure it wasn't the hydraulic reverser that locked up and not the engine, the first thing I'd do is pull the oil-pan and see if the main bearings spun. If the engine had been sitting for a long time, it's possible the o-rings went bad on the sleeves. That very common on 1010 and 2010 engines because they have only one o-ring per sleeve. I've seen it happen several times. Main bearings get coolant on them, the engine will labor a bit, and then finally come to a halt like someone put a brake-band on it. Just for my own future reference, did the 2010 bolt up okay in place of the 1010 engine? I assume you had to use the 1010 flywheel, but I think the blocks are the same.

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tncrawler

03-06-2005 13:48:07




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 Re: 1010c in reply to jdemaris, 03-05-2005 19:37:05  

The 2010 engine bolted up fine. I changed the oil pan, oil pump, governor assembly, and valve cover. I don"t have coolant in the oil. I suspect the reverser. The only way I know to find out is to pull the engine back out. The reverser was fine when I drove the crawler checking steering clutches and the gears. I am wondering if it has siezed up sitting for 2 months. It turned a few times with the starter. I didn"t pull the main caps or rod caps, but the engine was very clean and looked good. The guy I bought it from said it ran good last summer. thanks for your help

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jdemaris

03-06-2005 18:20:24




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 Re: 1010c in reply to tncrawler, 03-06-2005 13:48:07  
Pressure on the input shaft will seize up the reverser. It puts too much preload on the bearings, and the center bearing inside the reverser goes first. Is there any chance something was not right with the installation of the engine? E.g., maybe the pilot stub in the reverser shaft did not fit properly into the bushing in the end of the engine crankshaft? Or, the splines on the input shaft did not line up properly with the spring-loaded disk on the flywheel? I assume you made sure the 2010 engine had the proper pilot bushing put into it for the reverser? Also, are you sure that spring-loaded driving disk was in good shape. If it flys apart, pieces can get stuck between the flywheel and housing and lock things up. You can pull out the starter to check on that. You can also pull the reverser filter cover off, drain the oil out, and stick you hand inside the reverser case. You might be able to feel the shafts and see if they feel stuck. Usually (not always), if the reverser center-bearing got ruined, the reverser will stay stuck in forward, but the machine will still start if the trans. is in neutral.

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tncrawler

03-07-2005 02:30:20




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 Re: 1010c in reply to jdemaris, 03-06-2005 18:20:24  

I put a new bushing in the flywheel. Should there be one in the end of the crank as well? I used a engine leveler when installing the thing. It went all the way up REAL easy . I didn't draw it with bolts . Once I had it lined up I pushed it completely up. I am not as young as I used to be, when I get enough steam I will take it back out.



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jdemaris

03-07-2005 05:42:35




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 Re: 1010c in reply to tncrawler, 03-07-2005 02:30:20  
Sounds like you did it all correctly. I know what you mean about "running out of steam", I have that problem also. And, doing the job once is bad enough - I find doing something a second time difficult. I've got a 1010 crawler-loader with a good engine in it, but it is severely underpowered. 1010 gas engine is about the same size (cubic inches) as the 420 two-cylinder. I'd like to put a 2010 engine in it sometime. I'd prefer a 2010 diesel, but a good gas engine would be fine also. I heard of a few people coverting 1010 diesel engines to gas, thus creating a gas engine with 5 main bearings instead of 3 and the cubic inch displacement of a 2010 gas engine. I forgot where exactly the pilot bushing went (flywheel or crank end). As long as you have it in, and you checked it for fit on the reverser stub, you're fine. Looks like you need to pull out the starter motor and the reverser filter cover and inspect a little closer. You're sure the spring-loaded driving disk was okay and the springs didn't fall out?

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tncrawler

03-07-2005 16:31:09




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 Re: 1010c in reply to jdemaris, 03-07-2005 05:42:35  

Here we go again. I pulled the engine back out of that thing. Its the engine. The flywheel will shake back and forth about a quarter inch. When I took the oil line loose from the port in the block, I had oil there. When I went and got this engine, it turned free. There were no tight spots at all. There was a drain tube on the oil pan they had removed when they pulled the motor. It had sat there dry for 6-8 months. I may never get it to run, but will post again when I know why it tightened up.

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tncrawler

03-07-2005 16:28:12




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 Re: 1010c in reply to jdemaris, 03-07-2005 05:42:35  

Here we go again. I pulled that engine back out of that thing. Its the engine. The flywheel will shake back and forth about a quarter inch. When I took the oil line loose from the port in the block, I had oil there. When I went and got this engine, it turned free. There were no tight spots at all. There was a drain tube on the oil pan they had removed when they pulled the motor. It had sat there dry for 6-8 months. I may never get it to run, but will post again when I know why it tightened up.

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