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CAT 955H 60A

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Dave (NorCal)

03-14-2005 16:25:34




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Have a CAT 955H traxcavator with clamshell bucket. It seems to use alot of water, although there are no visible radiator leaks. We top it in the morning, and within an hour or two we crack the cap and can see the radiator fins uncovered. Water Temp guage never seems to move anywhere near hot. Motor oil seems fine. Is this common? Anyplace to specifically look? Any ideas.




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Bob/Ont

03-15-2005 08:39:49




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 Re: CAT 955H 60A in reply to Dave (NorCal), 03-14-2005 16:25:34  
Dave, you say the engine oil is okay but check under the cover of the crankcase breather on the valve cover. If any coolant is leaking into the bottom of the engine it will show up as a creamy slime in there as it boils out. If you find any, pull the pan and plate off and pressurize the cooling system to see where it's coming from. If the engine has been together for a long time the liner seals might be leaking. And Remember to Time the Ballancers when you put the oil pump back up.
Later Bob

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Dave (NorCal)

03-15-2005 09:09:47




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 Re: CAT 955H 60A in reply to Bob/Ont, 03-15-2005 08:39:49  
Thank you guys. We just had a new head put on a couple of months ago. I will start a full hot inspection of the radiator and hoses, then by pulling the valve cover and taking a look there.

We've only got probably 40 hours since the head replacement, so its probably a good time to check the powershift fluids as well. We've done several of the 10 hour services already. Still learning it and I'm only on the treefarm on the weekends, so between working it and maintaining it, it doesn't leave much other time.

Sure appreciate your help

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Bob/Ont

03-14-2005 17:50:22




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 Re: CAT 955H 60A in reply to Dave (NorCal), 03-14-2005 16:25:34  
Dave if the coolant was getting into the cyl's you would have combustion blowing the antifreeze out of the rad too. Can you smell burnt anti freeze in the exhaust? These things would be accompanied with over heating. Sounds to me like the last thing Seann said, check the powershift trans oil for milky white look. If the cooler is bad there will be oil in the top of the rad too, it transfers both ways. Oil goes into the rad when you are running and antifreeze into the trans when stopped.
Later Bob

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seann

03-14-2005 17:22:13




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 Re: CAT 955H 60A in reply to Dave (NorCal), 03-14-2005 16:25:34  
Some of this might seem a bit obvious, but here goes. After the machine is thoroughly warmed up (and pressurized with the cap sealed), very thoroughly inspect all of the radiator hose connections. See if you see water seeping out of any of them, use a flashlight if necessary. Also, look at the middle of the hoses too, sometimes pinholes can occur there as well (although less likely). Try and look down on the stump pan to see if water is collecting down there. My loader has an oil cooler on the lower side of the block which has coolant circulating through it. If yours is similar inspect that area too. You may have to remove the stump pan to get a good look. Also check the freeze plugs and temp sensor junction and make sure they're not leaking. Spending a little time under the crawler after its warmed up and hot while it's idling (and in neutral with brakes on obviously) may give clues as to where the water is going.

Inspect the radiator closely and see if water is squirting out or dribbling down the front or rear. Inspect the water pump shaft/seal area and ensure no water is coming from a blown seal/bearing. Try wiggling the waterpump shaft too to see if it's loose (you may have to loosen the belt to properly test). Take a close look at the exhaust and see if you detect steam coming out. If it's consuming several gallons of water in just a few hours, you can probably see it. Try putting a cool piece of sheet metal over the exhaust (without blocking it), or maybe even a piece of glass (using gloves) and see if excess condensation forms over the surface while it's running. if its humid out, its normal to see some condensate. But if its dry out (like it is in the winter/early spring) you shouldn't see that much. Look at the exhaust manifold/muffler junction area for water dribbling out or evidence of steam. Also, with the machine hot and with the radiator cap off (let it warm up without the cap on), advance the throttle and watch what happens. Watch for bubbles coming up to the surface, which might indicate exhaust gases percolating up through the system.

If your motor oil seems fine, then it's probably not getting in the oil. But if there are no leaks anywhere, then its got to be getting into the combustion chamber(s), meaning of course the head gasket is starting to go, or possibly a crack in the head/block. Was enough antifreeze used in it over the winter? And does the 955 use engine coolant to cool the transmission/converter oil? If so, I would check the tranny oil cooler and the transmission oil too and make sure no milky-ness or water is observed there either.

good luck

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