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Pete/ME

03-17-2005 03:07:38




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When the steering clutches stop working because you've let the machine sit for 6-8 months. (straight JD350 crawler) Will they free up after you work it for a while? Thanks.




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jdemaris

03-17-2005 06:06:30




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 Re: Dry clutches in reply to Pete/ME, 03-17-2005 03:07:38  
One more thing I forgot to mention. We had a few customers that left their dry-clutch crawlers sitting most of the time - sometimes over a year. They'd tie the steering-clutch levers back during long storage. That takes the pressure off the disks, seems to work well.



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jdemaris

03-17-2005 05:59:54




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 Re: Dry clutches in reply to Pete/ME, 03-17-2005 03:07:38  
It depends on why they got stuck, and subsequently, how rusted things became. If you push down hard on your brake pedal, can you still move your steering-levers freely? If not, the cross-shafts have rusted fast. If you DO get it free, you might have to keep running it, and readjusting as the rust wears off. Sometimes you have to reach into the clutch housings and adjust the pressure-plate fingers to get some free-play. If you do, use a wrench with a string tied to it - otherwise, you'll probably drop it into the housing and won't be able to get it back out - not even with a magnet. Many times the major problems are from water-instrusion. Either rain, snowmelt, or driving though creeks lets water into the clutch housings. Then, when it gets parked, you're screwed. We used to recommend to customers that they leave the water-drains out of the housings - or at least take them out once a week, to drain off moisture. One problem with that though, is if the drains are left out, and you drive into water, the housings fill up with water. I know of, and have worked on many dry-clutch Deeres that store fine - without getting stuck. I've got six dry-clutch crawlers, and all of them are parked all winter, on wood-blocks and covered with tarps. Never had one get stuck yet, but I drain them every fall. At one time, Deere sold what they called "heavy duty" clutch plates that were metallic instead of fiber, and they were supposed to be less prone to getting stuck in damp conditions. We never installed any because, even in the 1970s, they were too expensive. When Deere changed over to the wet-clutches with the "C" series, we had just as many problems with them as we did the dry - but the wet clutches were more expensive to fix. The wet cluches never got stuck, but we had all kind of slippage problems, leaks, automatic brake adjusters getting too tight, etc. I didn't see any great overall advantage from dry to wet. Maybe now, since parts prices are so high, there is? - I don't know.

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Dale(MO)

03-18-2005 03:14:38




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 Re: Dry clutches in reply to jdemaris, 03-17-2005 05:59:54  
I had to tear into the clutches on my HD3, and one of them had metallic plates in place of the fiber. The previous owner had put them in. Even after it sat for about 5-6 years, it didn't seize up. I didn't know they were available that way. I know they were bought from a Deere dealer, maybe they were for a Deere.



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jdemaris

03-18-2005 05:28:40




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 Re: Dry clutches in reply to Dale(MO), 03-18-2005 03:14:38  
Yeah, I found the same thing in my HD4, but have no idea where they came from. My Allis HD4 book only shows the fiber disks.



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Dale(MO)

03-19-2005 06:29:38




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 Re: Dry clutches in reply to jdemaris, 03-18-2005 05:28:40  
My only concern is how they will hold up compared to the fiber. I like the concept, but I wonder if they will dissapate the heat as well, and if they are more susceptable to rust when sitting for longer periods of time. My machine had been sitting for 5-6 years, and the side with the fiber discs was stuck, but I got it loose enough to work, just a little draggy. I probably took a hat-full of rust out of both, but the side with the steel never tried to stick. But, I don't intend to make my living with it, so I don't think I have anything to worry about.

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jdemaris

03-19-2005 20:38:49




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 Re: Dry clutches in reply to Dale(MO), 03-19-2005 06:29:38  
I don't know if they're any better or not. We never used them at the Deere dealership. From my experience, stuck clutches are not a problem if you take a few precautions. Besides keeping the clutch housings drained - all you need to do is tie a piece of string on the steering clutch levers to hold them back a bit - for long storage. I've never had clutches get stuck if stored that way. I've got an old Chevy dump truck that I only use on the farm, and the clutch in that got stuck last year after sitting all winter. Now I stick a piece of wood against the clutch pedal when I park it for the winter.

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PD Mechanical

03-17-2005 04:06:34




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 Re: Dry clutches in reply to Pete/ME, 03-17-2005 03:07:38  
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Depends on how bad they are frozen. Sometimes bumping into a tree a few times will get them to break loose. Otherwise you may have to tear down and clean or replace discs. If you get into it and need parts give us a shout, and be sure to visit our website.

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