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john in indiana

03-17-2005 08:45:59




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I have some terraces and fencerows with brush and some trees, mostly locust (with the big nasty thorns), some up to 6" in diameter. I want to rent a dozer to clean these out, as they are hell on rubber tires. How big would one need to be to take down the trees, or would I be better off to saw them down then use a smaller dozer just to move and pile them?

Thanks in advance for any help.




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Billy NY

03-18-2005 09:36:09




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 Re: size of dozer in reply to john in indiana, 03-17-2005 08:45:59  
I used to get all the easement clearing assignments, when I worked for a site contractor,years ago. They always put me on a late model 955, H ?, I forget, was a 1970 or better, this was in '94. These were sandy conditions, pines, some hardwoods mixed in, and other sites with big hardwoods. This machine did a pretty good job knocking them down, and or digging out one side on the bottom, and being able to raise up the bucket for extra leverage on the trunk certainly was an advantage over a dozer. I could also pick up a small stack of trees, depending on diameter, then carry and pile them. Grading, well, your results depend on a few variables, like soil conditions, terrain etc., but on both the 955 and 977, I was always able to dress up the area adequately, in a reasonable amount of time, but obviously would prefer a dozer for this, I just made the best of what I had, after some years, I really became a skilled operator, so what may frustrate a new operator ( I remember those days, we all started someplace ! ) was not a problem anymore. So if one takes their time, the results will eventually be satisfactory, sometimes you have to be a little creative, think ut your moves, and just take your time, if you get aggravated, take some time off to think about it, and try later, kinda worked for me.

Now, this is not to say I would not have loved to have been on a D-8K or similar, for clearing, grubbing etc. which I've done similar work with on larger jobs. Also, it depends on how you want to do it, I feel safer cutting trees down, but then you have to remove stumps, so pushing them over with the roots in-tact, can take care of that problem. Been on jobs with the buncher feller and tub grinder, stumps were popped out with an excavator like a 235 or similar, those stump grinder machines I've seen recently are productive. We used a root rake on the D8K's next, then comes in the earthmoving crew, stripping top and doing cuts and fills. I think it's a matter of preference and planning if you're experienced, if not experienced in this work, you can see what experienced people do to get a job like this done and make a reasonable judgment call as how you will do it and what the best machine is for you to use. Best to plan out all your moves and see how a particular machine will handle the job.

Remember this, clearing is very dangerous work, even with heavy R.O.P.S., brush screens etc., you must always realize, that parts of and whole trees can fall on you, trees can take a bad turn when falling, sharp spear like brush, medium size saplings can force their way through a brush cage and cause injury, unpredictable things happen very quickly, leaving no time to react or escape, whatever you do, make sure you educate yourself on safety and make sure you have overhead protection at minimum, I've seen what those spikes and thorns look like, boy they look like they could really do some damage.

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Murray

03-18-2005 05:02:05




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 Re: size of dozer in reply to john in indiana, 03-17-2005 08:45:59  
personaly I wouldn"t mess around with a small dozer. A small dozer versess this size locust is a lot of hard work depending on conditions. I find a healthy locast a very tough competitor. We have both crawler loader and crawler dozer (jd555g w/4in1 and CATd5c with pat)and for this type of job I would take the D5. Mainly because I can"t stand using the bucket machine. If your just pileing them up the dozer is faster. If you want to load and move it to a new location the loader is the tool you need. The dozer with PAT is my choice because you can grade when done a whole lot faster and if you learn how you can steer your load where you want without having to stop and reposition. The loader is great for loading our dump trucks and diging basements and trash clean up but I get very fustrated trying to grade and also the slowness of it. Each machine has a purpose thats why we have both. But my choice would be to find a CAT D5c or g. Just my humble opinion.

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the tractor vet

03-17-2005 14:09:19




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 Re: size of dozer in reply to john in indiana, 03-17-2005 08:45:59  
As for me i would be looken for a 650 Deere or Case 850 with a 6 way but this is what i would use as you can take the couner of the blade and tip it and make a lite cut on three side to get the roots and then just pluck it wright out with the smallest amount of dirt but then that is just my way . Then if ya had a root rake you could get the roots out after.



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seann

03-17-2005 11:26:50




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 Re: size of dozer in reply to john in indiana, 03-17-2005 08:45:59  
Loaders are better for removing trees, you can bring the bucket up and really put some leverage on them. Plus they do a better job at prying on stumps. Try and get one with a 4-1 bucket, that way you can more easily pickup the logs and stumps and move them around. I would think a Deere or Case 450 size machine would work very nicely on 6 inch trees. You could go smaller (350 size) if need be, although it might take a little longer to deal with the same amount of trees.

The only loader vs dozer caveat is that dozers usually get along better in mud or soft soils (especially LGP's). They're lighter and generally not as likely to get stuck. So if you have soft and/or muddy soils I would look for an LGP loader or dozer.

good luck

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