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Alternative fuel for diesel engines

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Jessew11

03-28-2005 15:11:57




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Hello I ran into a fella the other day hauling used cooking oil away from a local restuarant,says he burns it in his diesel engines on the farm..At first i figured he was joking,but maybe he wasnt.Is this possible and if so what adaption would one have to make say to injectors and filter system?? Anyone know?..I'm paticularly interested in detroit diesels like the ole 671's and 471's..Any help is appreciated,Thanks..

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JT

03-31-2005 17:17:16




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 Re: Alternative fuel for diesel engines in reply to Jessew11, 03-28-2005 15:11:57  
read an article about a guy in Georgia who raises peanuts, crushes peanuts to get oil out, feeds peanuts to livestock, very high in protein, the takes oil adds lye and rubbing alchohal to it, stir all this together, lets everything settle and seperate, then draws the oil off the top, uses it in all his farm equipment and pickup trucks. Now, I am wondering if peanuts will grow in Illinois.



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truckeron

04-01-2005 21:41:20




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 Re: Alternative fuel for diesel engines in reply to JT, 03-31-2005 17:17:16  
check out biodiesel.org or wnbiodiesl.com .great info!I use i use in my 98 KW w/3406 Cat,and it does fine.more power,and better mileage.



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JesseW11

03-30-2005 20:21:28




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 Re: Alternative fuel for diesel engines in reply to Jessew11, 03-28-2005 15:11:57  
IT WORKS BOYS!! Runnin 50 percent now..got 3 detroits that run better than ever on cookin oil..Screw the ARABS..DAngdest thing ,its drawin flies...lol..gotta thank u guys fer the info 1 more time.. try it ,i'm not jokin..



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chris thompson

03-29-2005 08:59:03




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 Re: Alternative fuel for diesel engines in reply to Jessew11, 03-28-2005 15:11:57  
HELLO!! try furnace fuel ?



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James2

03-29-2005 06:35:51




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 Re: Alternative fuel for diesel engines in reply to Jessew11, 03-28-2005 15:11:57  
I have seen injectors and piston/rings from engines which burn untreated veg oils (not estered), and have not been terribly impressed. I am amazed that people will take chances with $20K engines to save a few dollars. Treated is a different story, although I would still use it sparingly.



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Big C

03-29-2005 05:50:11




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 Re: Alternative fuel for diesel engines in reply to Jessew11, 03-28-2005 15:11:57  
I was under the impression that you had to carry out a chemical reaction to make Biodiesel...I called our local distributor and it was more expensive than regular diesel. Maybe I'll look into the pure vegetable oil issue



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kyhayman

03-29-2005 12:25:24




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 Re: Alternative fuel for diesel engines in reply to Big C, 03-29-2005 05:50:11  
Depends on what the feed stock is for the bio diesel and the blend. Pure, new vegetable oil B80 (80% vegetable) here is $2.75 per gallon. Costs are higher due to there being various formulations and various (not likely local) sources for oil. Most of the bio diesel we can get here is B2 - B20 based on rendered animal fat (large animal rendering plant close, no close soybean crushers). Adds about a nickle for the B2, about 20 cents for the B20.

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Hurst

03-28-2005 18:37:20




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 Re: Alternative fuel for diesel engines in reply to Jessew11, 03-28-2005 15:11:57  
If you want to use SVO (straight vegetable oil) you need a dual tank setup. In a smaller tank you need regular diesel fuel and in the other larger tank you need the oil. The diesel will need to be used when starting the engine and warming it up and also run before shut down to clear the lines of oil. The problem with just oil is that it is too thick when cold and will clog up injectors and filters. This was considered a way to run diesel hybrids, which would have an electric heater that would warm it up enought to use just oil and have no need for another tank. It will run fine and should have about the same power. Look up diesel hybrids or environmentally friendly diesles or SVO setups on google, something along those lines will get your answer. Some people also mix it with kerosene about 50/50, you can make it at your own home and I think the estimate for a gallon of homemade bio diesel just recently was $0.60 a gallon. Hey, don't forget, cooking oil doesn't have tax :)! European diesels are actually covered under warrenty to run on certain oils (canola, or something that is common in Europe). Just search google adn you will find what you are wanting to know. Goodluck

Hurst

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old

03-28-2005 18:29:45




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 Re: Alternative fuel for diesel engines in reply to Jessew11, 03-28-2005 15:11:57  
I forgot to say also, there are a good number of truckers that use veggie oil as fuel now days



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old

03-28-2005 17:08:19




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 Re: Alternative fuel for diesel engines in reply to Jessew11, 03-28-2005 15:11:57  
Diesels run well on cooking oil, but you do need to filter it in some way before putting it in the tank.



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kyhayman

03-28-2005 16:29:04




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 Re: Alternative fuel for diesel engines in reply to Jessew11, 03-28-2005 15:11:57  
I've heard of it. A couple of guys here are filtering it and using it at about 10% in their bulk tanks. I think they are wicking it to clean it.



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Joseph Turrisi

03-28-2005 17:41:06




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 Re: Alternative fuel for diesel engines in reply to kyhayman, 03-28-2005 16:29:04  
Do a search for Bio-Diesel to find the info you are looking for.



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Rob Mo.

03-28-2005 18:51:48




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 Re: Alternative fuel for diesel engines in reply to Joseph Turrisi, 03-28-2005 17:41:06  
Doesn't a Bio-diesel fuel burn cleamer? We use it on our pulling tractor& we show less black gasses than that of No#2 diesel. Just something I thought of since we are on fuel.



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