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Case 450-188 Diesel Injectors

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John Van Valken

04-05-2005 12:18:49




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Does anybody have a recommendation for fuel injectors for a 188 Diesel? New vs Rebuilt? Approximate cost?

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John
1968 Case 450




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jdemaris

04-06-2005 06:25:20




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 Re: Case 450-188 Diesel Injectors in reply to John Van Valkenburgh, 04-05-2005 12:18:49  
My two-cents for what they're worth. I assume you got a later 188 engine with Roosamaster Stanadyne pencil injectors, and not an early engine with the large CAV injectors? If so, there is no genuine "rebuild" process for the pencil injectors. The main parts that wear are not replaceble. There are many places that advertise "rebuilts" for $22 as long as you have a good core. But, keep in mind, by definition, they are NOT rebuilt. Just cleaned up, pressure checked or reset - and that's it. They can not, and will not have the useful life of a new injector - that's the problem with pencil injectors. Years ago, it didn't matter much when they cost $36 brand new. But today? I just priced some at my local Case dealer for $113 each - unless I get them on their weekly stock order - then they're $81 each. I tried a Stanadyne dealer and he wanted $129 each! To the contrast, I just bought new "tips" for the rebuildable large injectors in my Ford IH powered truck and my wife's diesel Volkswagen. The tips were $12 apiece which is a much better deal than replacing pencil injectors. 188s use the following: Roosa Master numbers followed by Case - 17206 or 18054 (Case # A37836), 19993 or 20348 (Case # A51234), 20673 (Case # A140828), 20671 (Case # A140829). The injectors I just priced are for my 207D engine - Case # A154542 - I don't know if there's a price difference or not. I have all the pressure specs, spray angles, and orifice sizes if needed. Look on the top of the injector tubes for the original Roosa Master numbers on your's.

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John Van Valkenburgh

04-06-2005 11:54:46




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 Re: Case 450-188 Diesel Injectors in reply to jdemaris, 04-06-2005 06:25:20  
You are correct, I've got the Stanadyne pencil injectors. I was not sure about the price of new injectors but I was afraid they would be over $100. This gets into that grey area of "what do I need" vs. "what can I get". What I really need is to insure the injectors are working okay. I'm not going to use this machine on a daily basis. Once I've cleared some woods for a house I will use it as more or less a farm machine to clear pastures a little at a time.

The injectors I've got were working reasonably well as far as I can tell. The engine made pretty good power, no excessive smoke, smooth running etc. I'll probably go with the peudo "rebuilt" ones that are cleaned up and checked out.

The parts manual mentions the stamped part numbers on the injectors, but I have not been able to see anything yet due to all the yellow paint sprayed over them. Actually the next big issue is getting them out of the head. They are pretty stuck. The service manual shows a factory tool that is sort of a slide hammer puller. I've got them soaking in penetrating oil at the moment while I figure out how to make a puller.

Thank you for the information. It definitely helps me make up my mind on what I need to look for.

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John
1968 Case 450

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David in SC

04-08-2005 03:26:15




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 Re: Case 450-188 Diesel Injectors in reply to John Van Valkenburgh, 04-06-2005 11:54:46  
John,
I made a puller to use with a slide hammer by brazing 2 large, thick 1 5/16" OD washers on either end of a 3 3/4" long piece of EMT conduit and then brazing on reinforcing plates on the back and sides to prevent bending. I then cut slot in bottom washer to fit tight around the slot in the injector. Must fit perfectly. Then hacksaw a slot in body of tool for the injector clip to slide into. Attach slide hammer and jerk them out. OK, not quite that easy. Penetrating oil is good. I still had one that would not come out, so I had my wife hold a small pry bar under injector while I used the slide hammer/puller and it finally came out. It would really help if you had an old injector in your hand to make the tool. My homemade puller looks awful, but it works. I had a new injector in hand while making the tool. I would be glad to send you a picture, or even the tool, if you like.
Hope your rebuild is going well.

David in SC

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John Van Valkenburgh

04-08-2005 13:45:15




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 Re: Case 450-188 Diesel Injectors in reply to David in SC, 04-08-2005 03:26:15  
I was planning on making a puller for the injectors this weekend. If its not any trouble I'd appreciate a picture of your homemade design. At first glance I don't see a good way to pull them. The picture in the service manual of the factory puller does not give much detail.

I was able to turn the #1 injector in its socket. At least its not completely stuck. If the teflon washer is melted perhaps a little heat would help?

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John
1968 Case 450

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jdemaris

04-08-2005 06:27:14




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 Re: Case 450-188 Diesel Injectors in reply to David in SC, 04-08-2005 03:26:15  
Yeah, that beats buying the OTC puller for $100. You're somewhat better off with something that fits tight into the grooves - but in my experience, when they're stuck - they're stuck. I've had the factory-made puller for 30 years, and I don't think it's ever saved me yet from a badly stuck injector. I think if someone made a puller that actually gave a steady pull on the injector, instead of a slide-hammer, it might work better. As far as using penetrating oil, it's never worked for me. When the little teflon carbon-stop seal burns off at the bottom of the injector, it really gets stuck. I just pulled a cylinder head for friend a few days ago to press out one stuck injector. Even with a 20 ton press, it came out hard. It is simply a bad design. I've ruined countless good injectors by trying to remove them. In my friends case, he was rebuilding is engine and found one injector that was stuck. It is almost a new injector, maybe one year old. But, he put it in dry - it should have been coated with Never-Seize. So, we had the head off anyway - and - had the choice of putting it back on with the stuck - but good injector, or ruining it, cleaning the carbon out of bore, and installing a new $100 injector. We did the latter, at least this way, if something goes wrong in the future, the head won't have to come off again (hopefully).

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jdemaris

04-06-2005 20:12:41




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 Re: Case 450-188 Diesel Injectors in reply to John Van Valkenburgh, 04-06-2005 11:54:46  
The special tool for pulling pencil injectors doesn't work all that well. I've got one (made by OTC), but rarely use it. I don't think I've ever had a stuck injector come out with use of the puller. Usually a small lady slipper type pry bar works just as well (or bad).
The injectors have a small teflon seal that can burn off - and once that happens they can get real stuck in the head. I've had many that I had to either ruin by prying on from the top, or in some cases, had to pull the cylinder head off and press them out from the inside. Again, there's little to gain by having them "done over" other than, if you've got some clogged holes (orifices) you can get them unplugged. Takes a .009" diameter wire and holder to do it.

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