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dsldr

04-22-2005 13:11:43




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I'll probably get in trouble here but, I posted a while about upper counterbore cracks in an IH-500, but the big problem now is lower counterbore cracks, below the o-rings. This thing must have frozen and broke. Anyone have any spare BD-154 blocks available? This one would be the early serial# cutoff, as we already have the engine kit. Thanks.




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wilko

04-23-2005 22:12:20




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 Re: Block in reply to dsldr, 04-22-2005 13:11:43  
Don't know where you're at, dsldr, but I have a bd144 engine (swallowed a valve, bent a rod). I never looked at the block. Are the cracks visible to the eye, or is it necessary to magnaflux to check the block out. I also have everything from the fan through the T/A.(came out of a TD5) I'm in Oregon, by the way. E mail wilko@molalla.net



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dsldr

05-08-2005 18:14:43




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 Re: Block in reply to wilko, 04-23-2005 22:12:20  
These cracks were such that a blind man could have seen them without his cane, leaving his guide dog at home. I have heard the 144 is a direct bolt in for the 154. This is the second time I have been able to source parts out of Oregon. The shipping is quite high for heavy parts that distance, but if you gotta play, then you gotta pay. I would like to get in contact with you about this engine (hours, price, etc) so if you could please E-mail me at ralyeag@hotmail.com. It would be nice if many of the 154 parts would work...we have a kit for the 154, but obviously can't use it. Thanks

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jdemaris

04-22-2005 15:11:05




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 BD144s BD154s have a cracking problem. in reply to dsldr, 04-22-2005 13:11:43  
My BD-144 was cracked all over the place in the crankshaft main-bearing bore-webs. Pretty much the same engine as the BD-154. I went searching for a good used block. I tore apart three engines - two BD-144s and a BD-154 - and they were all cracked in the same places. Finally got hold of tractor junkyard that had a B-414 with a good engine they stripped down. They wanted $450 for the bare block. I went there, inspected it, it looked good so I bought it. It was marked "
Central Tractor Rebuilt." Got it home, started cleaning it - and - found out it too was cracked, welded, then covered with Bondo, and painted. I called the place up (where I got the block) and they claimed the Bondo job wasn't done by them; maybe Central Tractor? At that point, I was pretty disgusted, they gave me $300 back and I kept the block. It's in my B-275. So far, I've used it three years. I suspect you won't find a block that isn't cracked to some degree. That design obviously has a problem. Question is, I guess - how critical are the cracks? ? Time will tell.

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jdemaris

04-22-2005 15:19:39




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 One more thing . . . in reply to jdemaris, 04-22-2005 15:11:05  
I forgot to mention, I didn't pull my engine apart because of the cracking. I had water in the engine oil and needed to do a sleeve/piston replacement along with the main bearings. So, I wouldn't have known otherwise - unless it got worse and the block fell apart. When I was a Deere mechanic we had a few models that were just about always cracked on the top of block (not the crank web). 1010s/2010s. With many of them we just put them back together and it didn't seem to bother anything. And, the Chevy 6.2 and 6.5 diesels almost always have cracks in the heads - but they too don't seem to bother anything. So, with the BD-144 and BD-154 Mahindra Indian designed engines (or call them IH if you want) - I don't know? My original engine was cracked so bad - it could not have lasted long. The replacement block I replaced it with had been welded, and had a few small cracks in the welds - so, who knows?

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dsldr

04-23-2005 17:05:57




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 Re: One more thing . . . in reply to jdemaris, 04-22-2005 15:19:39  
I did one 3 years ago that was crack-free. I guess that guy was lucky, huh. I am reluctant to assemble an engine that is cracked through the o-ring groove to the crankcase. The main webs seem to be intact. The thing seemed to run fantastic- of course the combustion process doesn't care if it has a solid bottom end or not. Apparently the engine kit is non returnable... came from Texas through NAPA. Owner is pretty discouraged, and is determined to put in a repower using a 4 cyl gas engine (yuk.. run it on the right fuel). I am trying to talk him into putting it together with the new kit parts and gambling with it. He is a weekender who will likely use it less than 10 hours a week. And winters it won't get worked at all, at which time it should probably have the radiator drained. Any other suggestions jd?

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jdemaris

04-23-2005 20:13:17




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 Re: One more thing . . . in reply to dsldr, 04-23-2005 17:05:57  
No suggestions other than finding a good engine or block - new or used. You may be able to buy a brand new 144 or 154 block straight from Mahindra or a bolt-in replacement engine. They are selling a model tractor at present (under their own name now instead of International Harvester)that is pretty much the same tractor as it was in the 1960s execept it has modern sheetmetal and a couple of engines. A while back a rep. from Mahindra told me the new three cylinder engine is an almost bolt-in replacement for the old one and also that the 144 and 154 is still being built and used. I think the blocks are the same but they now use direct injection. Here's some info on the current Mahindra tractors and also some history that I copied. Also an address of a guy in Canada that specializes in British (and Indian) tractor parts:

The E40-DI has a three cylinder 115 cu in diesel. Everything else is almost identical to a
B-275-414 including manual steering and a 8.3 gpm hydraulic pump, except it has a
single clutch. It is rated 39 engine HP @ 2450 rpm and 31 pto hp. The C4005-DI has the 144 cubic inch four cylinder diesel that was introduced in the B-275 and
hydrostatic power steering that was first offered in the 424 and the dual clutch to give
live pto. It also has the 8.3 gpm hydraulic pump. It is rated 39.5 engine HP @ 2300 rpm
and 31.5 pto hp. The C4505-DI has the 154 cu in diesel that was introduced in the B-414 and also has
hydrostatic power steering and dual clutch. It has 8.3 gpm hydraulic pump. It is rated 43
engine HP @ 2300 rpm and 34.5 pto hp. All of the gearing on these three models, pto, etc, is of the same design as the 275, 414,
424, 444 line of tractors. The C5005-DI also has the 154 cu in diesel but has partial mesh gears in the transmission
which was introduced in some of the later successor models of the same design by IHC.
It also has dual clutch live pto and a 9.4 gpm hydraulic
pump. It is rated 51 engine HP @ 2600 rpm and 42 pto hp. All of the sheet metal with the exception of the fenders and ROPS is also the same as the
older IHC tractors and a large portion of the parts will fit the older IHC tractors. Mahindra has a number of US dealers and the US office can be contacted at
281-351-9686 in Tomball, Texas. They can tell you where the nearest dealer to you is. History:
From army vehicles to farm tractors to major automobile manufacturing, Mahindra’s
relationship with American industry goes back quite a few years. American GIs who
served in India during World War II recognize our parent company, Mahindra &
Mahindra, which in 1945 was selected to assemble the famous Willys Jeep.

Following Indian independence in 1947, the founders of Mahindra & Mahindra (M&M)
were determined to chart a course of product expansion and globalization. The
philosophy led to the company’s eventual entrance into the worldwide tractor market. In 1963, M&M formed a joint venture with International Harvester to manufacture
tractors carrying the Mahindra nameplate for the Indian market. Armed with engineering,
tooling and manufacturing know-how gained from this relationship, M&M developed its
first tractor, the B-275. This successor to International Harvester’s incredibly popular IH
B-414 is still the basis for some current Mahindra models.

1963: Incorporation of International Tractor Company of India (ITCI), as a Joint Venture
between Mahindra & Mahindra Limited (M&M), International Harvester Inc, and Voltas
Limited sharing the responsibility of design, manufacturing & marketing.

1965: Rolled out first batch of 225 Tractors in 35 H.P. Range – Model B275 Regular

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dsldr

04-24-2005 16:48:26




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 Re: One more thing . . . in reply to jdemaris, 04-23-2005 20:13:17  
Holy cow---- what a herd of information! Thanks for all the info; I'm sure we can find something from this. Thanks again.



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