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OT One piece of heavy equipment to make a living

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flyingvranch

04-29-2005 14:25:17




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I apologize for the off topic post but ya'll really seem to give sage advice and I need some. If you were going to buy one main peice of heavy equipment (dozer, backhoe, excavator, etc.) to try to start a business and make a living, what would you buy and how would you use it? Just curious as I want to do just that. Thanks in advance!




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Case 450

04-30-2005 17:43:27




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 Re: OT One piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:25:17  
I own a TLB and have found it to be one of the most versatile pieces of equipment. I recently purchased a Case 450 Crawler Loader (that I know nothing about, but this site is huge help) and found the biggest difference between the TLB and the crawler is the ease of transportation. If I have a job to do down the road I can drive the TLB there whereas the crawler I have to get the five ton truck and the float and load the machine, chain it down and so on and so forth. Other than that the machine works well at what it does. I own a five ton single axle hydraulic brake dump truck, a ten ton tri-axle float, a TLB, and now a crawler loader. I only use this equipment for my own personal private use developing my property (ditching, footings, levelling, hauling fill, etc, etc..) Now I get approached all the time to do jobs for other people as they do not want to hire the big outfits. So for me to avoid getting into the excavation business I charge as much as the big boys do (depending on the machines needed I charge $100 - $200 per hour). I have no inclination to be in the earth moving business but if someone really wants my equipment it's gonna cost!

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Deas Plant

05-01-2005 16:53:10




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 Re: OT One piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to Case 450, 04-30-2005 17:43:27  
Hi, Case 450. The prices you say you are charging for the hire of machines will quite likely discourage customers which, admittedly, you did state was your intention. However, it is also HIGHLY likely to get you a well-deserved reputation as a rip-off artist.

If you DON'T want to be in the earthmoving business, why not just say "No" when people ask to hire your machines instead of trying to justify gouging bulk dollars out of them? At least that way they'd only be grumpy about being refused instead of telling the whole neighbourhood that you ripped them off which, like it or not, you ARE doing.

My 0.02 cents worth.

You have a wonderful day.
Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Billy NY

04-30-2005 08:56:39




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 Re: OT One piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:25:17  
I saw one of those 110 TLB's at the dealer, sure is an interesting machine, would have to compare it to others in its class, but at $43,000 it could pay for itself rather quickly. I've been renting equipment and doing jobs lately, trying to see what kind of potential this work has in my area, just did a job that took 4 days with a CAT 420 D and made a nice chunk of change, for a job well done. Subcontracted the paving and it's complete, use it as a marketing tool for other work. I think the smaller residential work in/out has good potential, pays quicker, less liability, does not require mammoth earthmoving equipment, like big jobs I've been on with D-8's and scrapers or expansive pipe jobs. I think with a little marketing, good skills, proper management, attention to safety, there are ways to make a living with some of the machines available today, such as something similar this 110 TLB, which is affordable to own, if you need something bigger, just rent it, have the customer pay it direct like I do, charge a good hourly rate to sit in the seat, owner pays for all material. You have no machine to absorb depreciation on, pay for what you use only. Basically an at cost job, providing a pay check for an operator I do these often, more so for people I know and do make a decent buck doing so. Take it one step further, after getting some experience, do lump sum proposals, include the above + 10% profit & 10% overhead, little extra mark up, make a little more for your time, depends on the job conditions, and situation, but no matter how you slice it, if you are careful, it certainly can provide a paycheck, some better than others. It does undercut the larger contractors, but also keeps them in check. I'm serioulsy considering it, after spending numerous years as a project manager on really complicated building jobs from 10-150 million, high stress, hard deadlines, long hours, have to deal with all kinds of people who can be a real pain in the @SS, constantly push people to get things done, who needs the aggravation, when having a skill that can make you the same good pay or better ( only reason I stayed in it for so long ). Work outdoors, set it up to take it easy in the winter, a good friend does pool work, from April-Oct. then shuts down for the winter, makes plenty during the season, more than enough for a year. Does work sun-up to sundown, but like anything, hardwork is the only thing that pays.

I like the idea of doing the hunting food plots, LOL that is a great situation, I have recently created several at my place, I'd love to find a niche doing that kind of work ! It's great to see that whitail clover come up !

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ShepFL

04-30-2005 07:14:22




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 Re: OT One piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:25:17  
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For me it would depend on the kind of business you want to do. If you get a TLB you should also look at getting a small dump truck to run with it to be effective. Escavation, septics, land clearing, hauling dirt etc.

FWIW, I will pass along some sage advise I got while shopping for a small dump truck - "you can only gut a sheep once, BUT, you can shear him many, many times."

That told me real quick to cease the search for the dump truck as I could only do some much land clearing, septics etc. and my travel range would have to increase to find the new business.

I refocused my "will work for hire" work on creating & maintaining yr. round feed plots for hunting clubs. Here in the South lot of clubs lease land yet don't have equipment to do the "farmer" work.

This is where I come in. My capital investment is already paid for, overhead is low, I get paid by the hour, they pay for seed, fertilizer, fuel etc. I get to hang out in the woods working my old iron and I get paid to do it. Side benefit is I have some key spots to go deer hunting in the fall and since I have been in the woods all yr. I have a good idea of where the deer are.

For personal use I own an OLD MF 50C rubber tire 2WD TLB. I wish it had a grapple bucket but alas it does not. Root rake for front bucket would also be nice. I do some odd jobs around the area i.e. ditches, clearing fields, driveway building etc. It keeps me in fuel money. You can do more with a TLB than a dozer or track hoe as those are more specialized machines.

Just some food for thought.

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flyingvranch

04-30-2005 07:22:42




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 Re: OT One piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to ShepFL, 04-30-2005 07:14:22  
All excellent advice. I'm thinking of leaning toward a skidsteer maybe. Thanks all!



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cornfarmer

04-29-2005 19:34:27




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 Re: OT One piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:25:17  
I bought a rubber tired tractor-loader-backhoe to use for myself around the farm, but have all the work I can find time for just by word of mouth. Seems like anytime I am on the tractor someone stops me to see if I can do a job for them, even though there are several other backhoes in the small town I live in. I also use a skid-steer loader, but except for snow removal people rarely stop to see if I will work for them. The other machine I use that attracts a lot of inquires is a utility tractor with a loader and box scraper/ripper. Lots of landscaping jobs following up after other excavating machinery. One other consideration-a medium sized trencher with a backhoe attachment and possibly a cable plow. I see people with the Ditch-Witch and Vermeer type machines keeping busy. With the rubber tired tractors you don't need a truck and trailer at first, so initial investment is much lower. A trencher will need a trailer, but can be pulled with a 3/4 ton pickup. If you decide to go with a track-type machine, get someone who knows them well to help when you are looking at a used machine. Things like undercarriage condition and loose arm/bucketlinkages can be hard to judge if you are new to looking at them, and VERY expensive to repair when worn. Track hoes are generally not a stand-alone machine, except for some demolition work. Small tracked loaders are losing a fair amount of work to larger 4wd TLB's due to speed and mobility. Crawler dozers are a good bet, but lack the versatility of a TLB. Good luck in your venture!

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Logan in S.E. Texas

04-29-2005 19:06:09




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 Re: OT One piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:25:17  
While we are O/T here, would y'all please relieve me of some of my ignorance? What exactly is a 4-in-1 bucket? and what is it best used for? Thanks



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seann

04-30-2005 06:45:30




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 Re: OT One piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to Logan in S.E. Texas, 04-29-2005 19:06:09  
Logan - the 4-1, or "four in one" bucket was invented by the Drott company, which made loader attachments for several crawler manufacturers in the 50's onward (like IH for instance). It looks like a standard loader bucket, except it is hinged and can open up like a clamshell. There are hydraulic rams behind the bucket that push on pinned levers that cause the "clam" to open up, and close/clamp down when needed. It makes the standard loader bucket much more versatile than a standard bucket:

1. It can be used as a standard loader bucket
2. It can be used as a dozer blade
3. It can be used as a scraper (by partially opening the clam, thereby controlling the cut depth)
4. It can be used to clamp down on large objects (like stumps, logs and rocks etc) and pick them up

4 uses, with 1 bucket...hence 4-1.

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cornfarmer

04-29-2005 19:39:37




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 Re: OT One piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to Logan in S.E. Texas, 04-29-2005 19:06:09  
The front and sides on a 4/1 bucket are hinged and operated by a hydraulic cylinder so you can use as a grapple, swing up out of the way so you essentially have a dozer blade, open partially so you can use like a scraper, or just use like a regular bucket.



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Gus

04-29-2005 18:29:24




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 Re: OT One piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:25:17  
If you are thinking backhoe, checkout Deere"s new 110TLB. It has front and rear aux. hydraulics and accepts all skid steer attachments. Hoe is removable but also fairly heavy duty. All 3 point attachments will then fit on it. Tows behind a 3/4 ton pickup.



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Dale(MO)

04-29-2005 17:10:25




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 Re: OT One piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:25:17  
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Depends a lot on what you want to do work-wise. In my part of the US, a skid steer or a small backhoe will take care of you if you want to do small excavating jobs (problem is, everyone want to give VERY small pay for their VERY small jobs). If you want to do general dirt work (site prep, clearing, basements, ponds, etc.) then I would want a highlift in the 80-120 HP range, maybe with a set of rippers. If you are going to do a lot of pipe work or foundation work, I would go with a TLB, 4WD if possible. The trackhoes (big and small), while very good machines - and a lot of fun to run - are very limited in what they can do. You would have to have a lot of dedicated work for one to justify buying only a trackhoe.

Just my opinion. Hope this helps. Good luck!

Dale

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seann

04-29-2005 16:57:02




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 Re: OT One piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:25:17  
I think a good sized tracked loader with a 4-1 bucket and a decent sized detachable hoe with a hydraulic thumb would be good. Of course I've met guys who install pipe for a living and all they use are big tracked hoes (and skid steers). And I know a guy that does tons of perc tests, and he has a big rubber tire TLB. Pretty much makes his living just doing that and footings. And I know of some small timers that have dozers and they always seem to find work. Seems like most excavators swear by their tracked hoes...but I rarely see tracked hoes working by themselves, they usually need other machines around to supplement their capabilities. But they ARE capable machines, amazing really.

Really it kind of depends on what the area you live in is most in need of (job wise). But a tracked loader with 4-1 and a detachable hoe w/thumb can do an awful lot of things...it may not do all of them as good (or as fast) as the dedicated machine, but it can do alot!

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