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Cyl.layes down in International Gallion Grader

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Ben

10-07-2001 08:55:24

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2..Question's..
I got a Gallion Grader 101, Ser.# M5367 Model #G25975A
She run's fine as long as you have a load on her.. but if it's tramed for even the shortest dist. she loses 1 hole..I can "switch back to gas & clean it out/build some heat then switch back to Diesel & work her she does just fine,(alltho- under powered,that's another question)
I'm wondering if a "Re-Ring" would correct this or ? I've run the valve's & had the injector's tested? It's a great setup if proper-start-up &shut-down procedure's are followed,as most of these have starting valve problem's IF the vales aren't allowed to COOL on their seat's.
From what I have found..so far..is this motor was used in many indust. application's & I think? the UD-14A & TD-14A are interchangeable??room permiting.

#2 Question
As these are very underpowered,NORMALLY asperated has anyone heard of lightly,turbo-ing one of these??

Any info.ie: site's club's,part's & most of all "been there done that people" well..I couldn't thank you enough...winter is comming & we have no county maint.so I do it for all of us that live in this part of the country..

Thanks Again
Ben

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RICH T

10-09-2001 21:40:30

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Re: Cyl.layes down in International Gallion Grader in reply to Ben, 10-07-2001 08:55:24

if you keep loosing the same hole every time you
probably have a busted ring or its plain ol wore out and when you switch it back to gas you lower the compression so it seems to run fine, thats maybe the reason it seems to be lacking power.one hole shot and the others are not far behind
horse power wise it should have 80 to 100, depending on who IH sold the engine to IE. schram
jeager, linkbelt, adams, gallion etc.
if i had my spec. book here i could tell you
how many ponys yours had.
as far as a turbo i have yet to see one on a ud14
or td14, IH had packages for the larger tractors
ie td18's and td24's, I have one td24 with and one with out and it makes alot of difference espically
here at 4500 foot elevation.
about parts check fp smith in suisun ca. or find
a clevite dealer good luck RICH

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Ben

10-10-2001 05:41:38

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Re: Re: Cyl.layes down in International Gallion Grader in reply to RICH T, 10-09-2001 21:40:30

Rich..Thanks,that what I'm suspecting,its EGT related in that when EGT's fall (on that hole)I believe their's just not enought ring to sustain a wall seal(hope it's not the land).I figure when I switch back to gas ..that,clean's the cly out,& build's heat & maybe a-little bit of "growth",& the ring's cycle,(high-vac.no-vac)when its switched back to diesel & she's loaded right away,
(before..cly temp &EGT's fall)..ring load/seal is adequite to sustain combustion.BUT.. as you mentioned the other's may be ready to follow suite..I guess w/o cracking her open,I don't know at this time "IF" a re-ring" will do her or a major..figured I'd do the head of coarse,& do it as if I were going to turbo it..V.E.with angles to enhance any CFM gains,I too live in the High Country 5200-6000'lack of air density make's, ANY NORMAL asperated cry for more..hence the turbo opp.just haven't figured off of what? I have to to do the math f/ cfm..the motor comes out to around 460cid.Have you dialed any IHC pump's,if turbo-ed I'll need a "scosh more" any other site's
not that this one isn't the best so far!!!
Ben

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RICH

10-10-2001 20:52:20

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Re: Re: Re: Cyl.layes down in International Gallion Grader in reply to Ben, 10-10-2001 05:41:38

no I have never had to dial in an old IH pump
they just ran and ran, out of the three td24's we
have (1949, 57, 59,) they all have orignal pumps.
changed a boat load of injectors thought, poor design. that reminds me have you ever opened the oil level valve on your inj. pump?
if the scavange pump is not working right it will
make the engine run like $#@t! because the inside of the pump its self is full of diesel and not
about a half quart of oil like it is supose to have.
if you do get a turbo dont screw with the pump
all you need is more air at higher elevation
not more fuel, unless you are takeing this baby
to the grader pulls L.O.L. good luck Rich

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Ben

10-11-2001 08:48:25

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Cyl.layes down in International Gallion Grader in reply to RICH, 10-10-2001 20:52:20

Rich..Thanks again for the info,Humm..puller or Wheelstander..now that could be another discussion... L.O.L...
Truth be know, with Density Altitude as it is & the fact that it has always seemed "a-bit-Fat" a little hair dryer should bring up them "E.T's"lol
I got an old opereator manuel w/ the patrol,I drain everything & refilled w/fresh.
Talking about !@#$ design's..the clutch,you can do the plate & disc. but the clutch can is about 1" to small in circumfrance..hence you can't get the Flywheel out W/O pulling the Engine.She's had a few by the look's of the wheel,it will need around .375 or more to clean up..I've had a "custom clutch" build,more spring's & Ceramic Button's & another Flywheel resurfaced,THAT should hold her if we go to PULLING with it L.O.L.
Well gotta go build an Eng. stand & look for more Parts & Parts & Parts..
Thanks Again
Ben

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10-08-2001 19:37:39

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Re: Cyl.layes down in International Gallion Grader in reply to Ben, 10-07-2001 08:55:24

I am not really sure what your problem is
exactly, but have you check to be sure
the diesel is not plugged up. Those
tanks usually end up with lots of gunk in
them, use a flashlight to check the bottom
of the tank. This could also show up
as a lack of power.

Seems to me you haven't experienced the full power of the engine yet. A td14 should have quite a bit of power. Did you have the injection pump tested or just
the injectors? The pump governor could
be screwed up.

I think rings and pistons would not show up
as an intermittent problem. Of course,
it would show up as a lack of power and excessive smoking. Maybe you should check the compression on the cylinders.

-Greg

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Ben

10-10-2001 05:48:11

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Re: Re: Cyl.layes down in International Gallion Grader in reply to gm, 10-08-2001 19:37:39

Greg,thank's for the line...fuel's fine,think I've almost got it..now just got to do some wrenching..L.O.L if you like read my other post to Rich
thanks again Ben

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