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dozer won't hold charge

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Case450

08-21-2005 18:48:54




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my dozer won't hold a charge. it forever needs boosting when you go to start it. the battery is completely dead each time. i gave it a quick once over and the wires appear to be fine and connected (but it was a quick once over) and the terminals are clean. I'm kinda thinking it's a bad alternator. What size alternator should I be running? when you jump it it fires right up. the headlights and rear light were busted on it when I got it. I was thinking rewiring it but i would need a fuse panel to do so. i figure i'll rewire it after i totally destroy the undercarriage thats on it now (it's almost done for anyways). than after a new undercarriage and new wiring she should be top shelf. i hope anyways! lol!

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RAB

08-24-2005 07:05:36




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 Re: dozer won't hold charge in reply to Case450, 08-21-2005 18:48:54  
Simplest but maybe not shortest. Remove bettery earth terminal when finished work for the day. Reconnect for the next start. If engine cranks OK then search out short - may well be the alternator rectifier, if everything else is switched off.
If battery is dead try again, only this time with the battery FULLY recharged. That should sort out whether the battery is dead or the charging system is under par. May. of course, now be two problems if battery has been left discharged or continually run down to zero volts
Regards, RAB

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Ken in Mich

08-25-2005 06:41:32




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 Re: dozer won't hold charge in reply to RAB, 08-24-2005 07:05:36  
You might have a real small current leak. What I did was go to a welding supplier and get cable connectors for the size of the battery ground wire. Cut the wire where convenent and install the connectors, when done for the day, simply unplug the cable.



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John Van Valkenburgh

08-22-2005 15:57:30




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 Re: dozer won't hold charge in reply to Case450, 08-21-2005 18:48:54  
Your 450 should already have an ammeter in the dash. If its working you should see it move up into the plus side when the engine is first started. It will slowly then creep back to zero as the battery charges.

If you hook up jumper cables to the crawler's battery, with the engine stopped, and you notice the ammeter dipping down in the negative range, you've got something drawing current when it should not.

The older 450s have a generator/regulator combo. The newer ones have an alternator. Your crawler may have originally had a generator and been retofitted with an alternator like I did to mine.

If your ammeter is broken but still connected you can do a quick and dirty test with a 12V light bulb. Disconnect the two wires running to the ammeter. Connect a 12V light bulb between the two terminals. If the bulb glows or lights then current is flowing. Problem is you don't know which direction. With the engine off and the switch off you should not have any current flowing. If you do then there is a short somewhere.

Something you probably already know but its good to repeat is that a charging or discharging battery is a force to be recon'd with if you happen to create a spark anywhere near the battery. Any lead/acid battery can explode if a spark happens to occur nearby, but they are especially dangerous when they are discharging or charging because they give off more hydrogen. Just be carefull with those jumper cables cause that battery is right next to you.

Best of luck,
John
1968 Case 450

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Jerry Combs

08-22-2005 08:47:58




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 Re: dozer won't hold charge in reply to Case450, 08-21-2005 18:48:54  
I have a way that should help you solve your problem but you will need a DC ampmeter. Your meter should have a scale of at least 10 amps. Ampmeters are put in series (not parellel) with what you want to check the current draw of. In this case you need to disconnect one of your battery terminals and put your current meter "in series" with the disconnected lead. Remember also that the DC current meter is polarity sensitive. By this I mean that if you hook it up backwards, your meter will read in reverse and can destroy your meter. With everything off you should read no current draw. If you do, then you can start disconnecting things until the indicated current draw is not show on your DC current meter. And remember, DO NOT try to start or turn on anything that draws a lot of current with your current meter in series with the battery. I hope can understand what I am saying and that this helps you solve your problem.

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mud

08-22-2005 06:43:37




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 Re: dozer won't hold charge *sounds familiar in reply to Case450, 08-21-2005 18:48:54  
I got a 450 loader. Had similar problem. Changed the ground and that helped. Put a disconnect on the ground post on the battery. Shut it off when didn't use the machine. Makes a big difference.



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Hurley J. D.

08-22-2005 06:12:18




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 Re: dozer won't hold charge in reply to Case450, 08-21-2005 18:48:54  
First thing to check would be the battery. They can go bad and not hold a charge overnight. Take it to an auto supply store and they can check it out for you.



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Hermit

08-21-2005 19:35:45




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 Re: dozer won't hold charge in reply to Case450, 08-21-2005 18:48:54  
Sounds like you need a voltmeter and an ammeter. The voltmeter would tell you if the alternator is working and the ammeter would tell you if you have a short draining the battery.



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