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JB OH

09-26-2005 09:49:35




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I just got a 1980 Ford 555 standard backhoe from the local metroparks auction, and they had recently cracked the hydraulic filter housing that mounts to the right side frame rail near the cab. Since they were going to sell the hoe at auction soon, they put a pipe in its place to run without (basically bypass) the filter. The old housing is gone, so I don't even have it to inspect.

I've called Ford NH and they say a new filter housing is about $700. The shop guy said that I could possibly use an aftermarket filter assy, but that there needs to be a bypass valve and check valve as well. He said that it's rated at about 40psi.

Does anybody have any more info or suggestions, rather than getting the original Ford housing? Might a filter/housing ass'y from TSC or other vendor do the trick?

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JJS

09-27-2005 06:44:17




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 Re: 1980 Ford 555 hydraulic filter in reply to JB OH, 09-26-2005 09:49:35  
Have you tried the salvage yards??They might have one.Also I think The large Hydraulic filter from tsc would work. Some kind of filter is better than no filter. If you change the filter often, and keep the oil clean, you should be ok without the bypass. As for the check valve, that is mainly so you don't have a big mess when changing the filter. It would be a lot cheaper solution, until you can find the right housing.My opinion.
Joe

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JB OH

09-27-2005 07:15:27




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 Re: 1980 Ford 555 hydraulic filter in reply to JJS, 09-27-2005 06:44:17  
Thanks, Joe. I totally agree with you that *any* filter is better than *no* filter. I'm finding that the filters/mounts are in the $20 range, and that's pretty cheap insurance. I don't know of any scrap yards in the northeast Ohio area (yet), so if you know of any good ones - even on the net, let me know.

Now comes the question, "how do I rig it up?" I'm assuming that the line I'm speaking of is a return line, so the flow would be from the back of the tractor (from the hoe) to the front. Are you saying that the check valve should be after the filter to prevent the reservoir from draining?
Thanks again!
J

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JJS

09-27-2005 10:05:32




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 Re: 1980 Ford 555 hydraulic filter in reply to JB OH, 09-27-2005 07:15:27  
Will have to look at the book to make sure on Plumbing, But I do know you have to use the large filter. I believe the pump delivers 25Gpm. or better.
I have some old #s of salvage yards, not sure how close they are to you.
Blanda equip. palm Pa. 1800 322 8030; Crane & Tractor, Columbus, OH 800 322 7311; snyder equip
Hanoverton, OH 330 223 1913; These are # I had for awhile , not sure if they are still good, but worth a shot, Good Luck

Joe

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JB OH

09-27-2005 13:23:28




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 Re: 1980 Ford 555 hydraulic filter in reply to JJS, 09-27-2005 10:05:32  
Joe: Thanks for the numbers. I called all 3, and Snyder"s was the only one who could possibly dig one up -- I"m waiting on a call back.

He did, however, say something that the TSC filter may not work because there are such high pressures at the filter (2500psi), and the TSC filters are rated at much lower pressures. I"m not sure if this true. Any insight?



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JJS

09-28-2005 06:32:26




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 Re: 1980 Ford 555 hydraulic filter in reply to JB OH, 09-27-2005 13:23:28  
It wouldn't seen that the return pressure would get that high. Only if some thing plugged up down line. Did you trace the lines, does yours tie into anything else , other than straight back to the tank? I have a valu built catalog, and they show two sizes of filtes. one with 3/4 fitting size, and one with 1 1/4 fitting size. the 3/4 is rated ar 25 gpm & 250 psi; and the 1 1/4 is 70gpm, and 200 psi. I would think that the larger one would have enough extra flow that it shouldn't be a problem. but it is your call. You could T in a pressure gauge, and check the pressure to be sure, but I don't think that the return pressures are that high (2500 psi). All I can say is you have to run it, so you have to decide what you feel safe with. Joe

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Roy Suomi

09-26-2005 14:41:15




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 Re: 1980 Ford 555 hydraulic filter in reply to JB OH, 09-26-2005 09:49:35  
Check with surplus center.com



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JB OH

09-27-2005 06:40:06




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 Re: 1980 Ford 555 hydraulic filter in reply to Roy Suomi, 09-26-2005 14:41:15  
Roy:
I checked their site today, and found this filter:
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It's a 3/4" NPT 20 GPM FA1200-10 Return Filter, but I'm not sure if it's appropriate. It has a 15 psi bypass, and I was told by the Ford mechanic at the dealer that the original filter housing had a 40 psi bypass. Any thoughts on this?

I'm assuming the 10 micron filtration will do the job. Also, for a check valve, I found the 457-12S2-20 poppet type check valve with 3/4" NPTF output and JIC 12M input. This "should" work, but since I don't know what the original was like, I can't be sure.

Again, thanks for any help.

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john_bud

09-30-2005 06:26:48




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 Re: 1980 Ford 555 hydraulic filter in reply to JB OH, 09-27-2005 06:40:06  
JB,

What size are your lines? You should size the filter for that. I have a ford TLB with 1 1/4 inch lines on the return to the filter then tank. It uses dual filters. The pump is 25 gpm at 2000 psi.

On filters, larger is better. (my opinion) You probably will want to run the new filter for only 10-20 hours and then change it as there is potentially a larger load of crud in the fluid. Potentially, you may want to run a filter with water absorbing capabilities at first. Here is a line to one brand. You can google the partnumbers to cross reference to other brands.

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And finally, $700 !!! what is FNH thinking??? Talk about price gouging!

jb

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JB OH

09-30-2005 13:47:22




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 Re: 1980 Ford 555 hydraulic filter in reply to john_bud, 09-30-2005 06:26:48  
John:
I saw that filter in my searching, and it seemed pretty economical, but I was told by a filter guy that the spin-on"s are not the best for the return line if you have a quick change in cylinder position, like dropping the boom, etc. He said that the seals can blow, since those filters are generally lower pressure (150-200psi), and that the drop-in bowl type are better (which is what the OEM had). What do you think? I have the weekend to ponder my choices.

I"ve been looking on e-bay for "medium pressure" filters or "return line" filters, and haven"t found any yet that meet the 38-42GPM and 50psi bypass with 300psi max pressure criteria that was most recently given to me by the Ford tech. If anyone has any more accurate specs, please share! Thanks! There are several bowl-type filters by Schroeder, Lenz, and Norman, but I"m still on the fence.

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Roy Suomi

09-27-2005 18:35:38




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 Re: 1980 Ford 555 hydraulic filter in reply to JB OH, 09-27-2005 06:40:06  
Any filter is better than none, I always say...Seriously , I don't remember why they need a check valve. It's not like it will loose a prime or anything. The tank is high in the nose with pump directly below it. As far as the relief pressure, I wonder if the bypass is adjustable? Call 'em.. They're pretty good to work with. Maybe they can shed some light on it..



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