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Roy Suomi

10-11-2001 19:10:35




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I'm looking for someone that has a 1010 diesel engine laying around. I need to know how the cam and crank is timed. Does the t/d on the flywheel line up when the cam and crank gears are lined up on tdc.. Mine don't. When I line up the gears on the front of the engine , the flywheel mark is off about 4-5 inches from lining up.. This engine smokes excessivly while running, and doesnt clear up. Any ideas? Oil pump is timed correctly as possible without JD timing tool available[ nobody can find theirs, dealers,privates].

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Roy Suomi

03-04-2002 19:20:59




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 Re: 1010 deere problem in reply to Roy Suomi, 10-11-2001 19:10:35  
Tear the page out of your Deere service manual that shows timing of oil pump... It's dead wrong...Pick up an IT manual at your local aftermarket store for 1010 wheel tractors.. It shows correct oil pump timing for this engine.



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bryan

01-05-2002 19:16:03




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 Re: 1010 deere problem in reply to Roy Suomi, 10-11-2001 19:10:35  
A shot in the dark. There is one man that knows all there is. His name is Ron Black and he lives in Gyserville Calif. Call diret. assistance and get his number. When you talk to him you might have to explain a little how you got his name, then he'll get you in the right direction. I haven't seen to Ron in 15 years but if he is still alive it will be worth the effort. Ron should be in his young fifties by now.

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bryan

01-06-2002 08:36:59




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 Re: Re: 1010 deere problem in reply to bryan, 01-05-2002 19:16:03  
You'r probally wondering. Well, stop wondering. Ron was a mechanic for a leading cat dealership when he statred his own shop. It quickly became the only place to take a medium to smalll tractor. The shop is located at his house, so calling there is normal business and so is talking about tractors. Small crawlers are very common in this area. They are still used a lot in the old narrow vineyards.

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Jerri

10-13-2001 06:26:44




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 Re: 1010 deere problem in reply to Roy Suomi, 10-11-2001 19:10:35  
Roy,

Let me start by asking do you have the shop manual? If you do you already have the info I have, this may not be much help but here goes anyway.

Figure 51-25-26 on page 51-25-13 shows the configuration for the crankshaft and the cam. Looking at this photo, it appears that the crankshaft is turned so that the timing mark is at about 165 degrees with staight up being zero. With the cranshaft in this position you would install the camshaft so that it's timing mark will line up, or is directly adjacent to the crankshaft mark.

Now, this may not be what you are asking and if so then the timing for the injector pump would be shown on page 91-20-2. According to the manual, turn the engine in the direction of rotation (counter-clockwise as viewed from the flywheel) until no. 1 piston is on the compression stroke. The "DC" mark on the flywheel should line up with the timing mark on the flywheel housing.

They mention if you rotate the engine beyond the "DC" timing mark that it will be necessary to turn the engine backwards at least 1/4 turn to remove all gear train backlash.

I assume that you can't find a timing window #13366. I have some photos in the manual which maybe of some help.

If I can believe the manual they show that your timing mark on the pump should be about at about the 4th tick mark from the left or about 1/3 of the way to the right.

Do not know if this helps a lick or not. Let me know if you don't have the manual and maybe I can scan a page or two.

Good luck,

Jerri

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Roy

10-14-2001 19:52:27




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 Re: Re: 1010 deere problem in reply to Jerri, 10-13-2001 06:26:44  
Thanks for getting back to me.. And ,yes I do have a manual on this pig..Sorry , just a little disgusted over this one.. I've rebuilt about 200 Deere engines with no problems at all..Not till I ran across this one..25 years plus working on Deere equipment and this "oinker" throws me a curve..Yes I did follow all the instructions in the service manual, got the injection pump back , but haven't had a chance to install.. When I set up the pump I have the timing cover off the pump [ don't use the see-thru window]..
I've done everything I could possibly think of..
There is 2 marks on the cam gear , one for gas[115 cu in ] and one for diesel [145 cuin].. I tried both.. Smokes heavy gray smoke.. What I would really like to find is an engine apart or out of a chassis to verify how the timing marks line up.. Please ask around if you have any contacts that have one apart.. Would certainly appreciate the effort.. This one really made me look like a rookie, and I'm not used to that.. Thanks , Roy

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Jerri

10-15-2001 04:50:36




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 Re: Re: Re: 1010 deere problem in reply to Roy, 10-14-2001 19:52:27  
Roy,

Unfortunately I have a gas engine and probably can't help much. There are some folks like perhaps Lavoy on this discussion board and perhaps some folks on the John Deere board who might be able to help. I had a similar problem a long time ago with a Peugot Diesel (Swine Car) :) and I couldn't figure our the timing. The timing chain was suppose to have a red link or something which it did not. Anyway, long story short I understand. Try posting on the John Deere discussion group and hope that Lavoy reads this one and maybe able to offer some help.

Good luck,

Jerri

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BLAINE SCHEXNAYDRE

10-18-2001 22:17:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 1010 deere problem in reply to Jerri, 10-15-2001 04:50:36  
IF YOU PULLED THE OIL PUMP THE TIMING WITH THE INJECTION PUMP IS OFF AND WITH OUT THE TOOL GOOD LUCK.HAVE YOU CHECK THE HEAD FOR CRACKS OR CYLINDER JACKETS WATER CAN GIVE THE SAME SYMTOMS.



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Roy S.

10-27-2001 04:44:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1010 deere problem in reply to BLAINE SCHEXNAYDRE, 10-18-2001 22:17:10  
Yep, Entire engine was overhauled [ liner plate pistons rings bearings]head was redone.
Original problem was compression in coolant, now no compression in coolant but smokes gray out exhaust.No T-handled timing tool available from any of local deere dealers [ can't find them ].
I timed it to manual with drilled mark pointing to #4 on tdc [ valves loose on # 1 cylinder Now, I'm at a loss on what to do... Do any of you have this tool?? I would be sure to return it promptly when done Thanks R.S. hoolitoots@ncweb.com

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Roy

05-08-2003 20:13:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1010 deere problem in reply to Roy S., 10-27-2001 04:44:19  
Deere manual is all wet... I picked up an IT manual at farm and fleet store before it closed.
The IT manual shows oil pump timing 90 degrees different than deere manual. Thanks to all that tried to help R.S.



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