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ETD66SS

11-01-2005 17:39:06




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I have not posted here in a while, but here are some updated progress pic's of my pond project.

The logging is about 90% complete. (I started in March)

I'll be looking for a dozer this winter.

Something in the CAT D6-D8 range... $20,000-$25,000 price range...

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ETD66SS

11-04-2005 05:22:39




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 Re: My progress pictures in reply to ETD66SS, 11-01-2005 17:39:06  
I'm looking for something like what is in the link below.

I'm not sure about the ground pressure of this machine with respect to the sandy loam & clay soil I'll be working in...

I definitely want one with a winch.

Can the wich on this D8 be used to pull the machine out of mud?

I'd like to pay around $20,000 for a machine like the one in the link...

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Bob/Ont

11-05-2005 17:53:45




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 Re: My progress pictures in reply to ETD66SS, 11-04-2005 05:22:39  
That winch should be a big help getting you out. There are towing winches like that to haul heavy loads and then there are lighter Cable Control's for operating dozed blades and scrapers. They are not for hauling, just controling impliments.
Later Bob



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John Van Valkenburgh

11-03-2005 03:49:00




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 Re: My progress pictures in reply to ETD66SS, 11-01-2005 17:39:06  
Beautiful Job!
I'm planning on doing something similar. I'm planning on clearing pasture which will require much the same work you've already been doing. I picked up an older Case 450 track loader with a 4n1 bucket. Overhauled the engine earlier this year.

Your pictures got me itchin to get started.

John
1968 Case 450



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seann

11-02-2005 15:46:27




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 Re: My progress pictures in reply to ETD66SS, 11-01-2005 17:39:06  
Looks awesome ETD! You said you were going to clear a bunch of trees and make a pond, and it certainly looks like that's exactly what you're doing. Looks like an awesome site, lots of work there. That's amazing that you're dealing with hundreds of stumps, I thought my fifty or so was a lot, wow! I love that old dump truck too, you have a nice array of equipment building up there.

The D8-9 size dozer sounds like a good idea, although you might want to consider a big tracked loader too. I've been using a medium sized one for about two years now, and it flat out rocks, especially with a 4-1 bucket. I'm much happier with this machine than I would have been if I had bought a dozer, it's a WAY more versatile and capable machine. And with your dump truck, you can really shuttle some dirt around. I'd think about getting a 977 if you're set on a Cat. These are older torque converter/powershift machines that can be had in decent shape for about what your budget is. I'm partial to International/Dresser units, something like a 175 or a 250 loader with 4-1 would work well, and could be had in good shape for well under your budget.

Here's a few pics of my jobsite and my 4-1 loader at work peforming various tasks. Also if you're having trouble picking up the stumps, try your best to shake the dirt off of them. I've been picking mine up and dropping them on the ground. This pretty much removes all of the dirt and makes the stumps usually less than half their initial weight with the big dirtball on them.

Good luck, great pics too....

PS>> felling trees without a cage is not advisable!
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Billy NY

11-02-2005 07:24:10




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 Re: My progress pictures in reply to ETD66SS, 11-01-2005 17:39:06  
The photos really help get a rough idea of what you are dealing with, I agree with Bob, if you decide on a larger tractor, good to be aware of the expensive lawn ornament factor.

However, the site looks big enough for a D-8 size machine, and for mass excavation for where your stockpiles are to be. If you buy a D-6, you'll put a lot of hours on it, and will be working it hard on that site, it would have to be in top mechanical condition all the way around. It will do the job, just take longer, benefit is that it's smaller, better in the woods at that size, might be able to fine grade a little better etc.

If it were me, and the budget you have mentioned, I'd try to find a D8 or a D7 in good condition, check government auctions, keep an eye out for worthy candidates, paying for shipping a machine that checks out mechanically is worth it, even if out of the local area. There is a lot of pushing to be done there, that clay looks like it could get hard and become tough pushing. If the majority of the work you have after this job, does not necessitate the larger machine, and does not have the room for a bigger one to operate, might want to consider that as well, I'd like a larger one to for a mass excavation job like that, but a smaller one for jobs not so big, and working in the woods, lot of combinations will work here.

I prefer to do jobs like this myself as well, having the skills and the years in the seat just fuels that fire and you get the job done just the way you want it.

Also remember, if the conditions get soft, a D-8 is a heavy machine, but if dry and conditions are stable, that will be a help with material like that. You'll want a semi-U blade or similar, straight type, for cutting, a 8S not an 8A or a 7S for the D-7 size tractor. Whatever you get or decide on, you are better off spending money up front for one that has been properly maintained and serviced,if can be found, but in good shape at the time of sale, or find one that can be inspected properly and figure out what it will take to get it to good working order, I'd make sure to measure and confirm the condition of the undercarriage components, and really go over all the components of the tractor as best can be done, final drive - check for metal beyond normal wear, etc. etc. etc. - With your budget, you should be able to find a machine that is in decent shape and even if you have to pay a qualified mechanic to check out the particulars, it is worth it. Once you've got what you need, service it properly, check it over and take care of any problems, best done before it goes to the field, no guarantee, but a good chance of not dealing with tossing a track or, having a major component failure etc. etc.

On the rental front, a large excavator and your dozer ( whatever you get ) is a great combination, the excavator can be rented for the mass excavation, you can excavate the cuts as you want them and cast the spoil to where the dozer can pick up the loose material and push it off, a lot less abuse and hours on your machine, if the site stays dry, you could easily finish shaping/grading the cut with the dozer, clean it up to your liking etc. In the end you could rent something like a Cat D4-G or similar to finish everything off, new ones are so nice to grade with, still have your workhorse that you paid a fair amount for, but without putting the hard pushing hours on it. With other projects to do, and it seems like you want the convienence of having a dozer as well, ( I'm like that too ) owning is not a bad idea, buying right is worth the time and effort. That tandem dump, if in decent shape would be even better.(sounded like a good purchase at $1000, Louisvilles are tough trucks, even with 3208 motors, they'll smoke but run ) Load the truck out with the rented excavator, eliminate the the push(s) and stockpile with the dozer where you dump off. That would have to be a 2 person operation and you'll need adequate time to do it continuously with a rental, but it will get done rapidly. It looks like if one was going to push out the cuts on this job with a dozer only, you have 2 directions to go before you get to that stockpile area, up and out of the cut, then re-align to push off to the area you marked off in the photos.
Just thinking aloud here, tossing ideas at you, looks like a nice site, it ought to really look great once you are done.

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Bob/Ont

11-01-2005 19:07:19




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 Re: My progress pictures in reply to ETD66SS, 11-01-2005 17:39:06  
Buy a D6C. They will cost more per LB but they are easier to move and easier to resell when you are done. A big tractor can easily cost you more than you paid for it after a weeks work if anything goes wrong. The Road goes on Forever and the Co$t$ Never End.
Later Bob



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ETD66SS

11-02-2005 04:26:11




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 Re: My progress pictures in reply to Bob/Ont, 11-01-2005 19:07:19  
Well, this dozer will NOT be moved around.

Once it gets to my lot, it will stay there.

I'm not planning on being able to resell to recoupe cost, I plan to keep it.

Obviously selling is always an option if needed, but it's not an important factor when I purchase.

I just need a good unit that will dig my pond and build 3 houses. If something breaks after that, I can deal with it.

I know it's risky, but this is just something I want to do, and I really want a dozer for this project and many future projects I have planned. It could blow up in my face if I buy a $20,000 dozer and the first week of use I break something an it costs $10,000 to repair. I know this, and accept it.

I could pay someone to dig the pond once I have it all cleared, but I'm stubborn and I want to do all of this myself...

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Bob/Ont

11-02-2005 07:40:08




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 Re: My progress pictures in reply to ETD66SS, 11-02-2005 04:26:11  
I know what you mean about the stubborn doityourself thing. I have that problem too. Comeon back when you are looking one oven and maybe we can help you.
Later Bob



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Lavoy

11-02-2005 08:28:35




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 Re: My progress pictures in reply to Bob/Ont, 11-02-2005 07:40:08  
I would think that in that price range you should be able to get a good older machine.
I know at an auction here a month ago, an HD16 AC with a tilt dozer, all new undercarraige, and about 4000 hrs on it never hit $7000. It was a county owned and maintained machine, they just had no more use for it.
A year ago, the county I live in sold an 82-30 Terex with a modified U dozer, tilt, cab and heat for $16,000, and it had mile deep undercarraige, and regular county maintenance. Same song, they just had no more use for it. Seems all of them around here are buying/leasing 450H and newer Deere's, and doing the heavy dirt moving with scrapers or track hoes, and then doing the clean up, finish work with a smaller crawler.
lavoy

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