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1010 diesel crawler timing

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Roger2561

11-13-2005 11:10:52




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Hi there - I have overhauled a mid 1960's John Deere diesel crawler. Before the overhaul, it was burning approximately 1 quart of engine oil per hour. Now that I have finished the overhaul I have timed it per the instructions in the service manual but, now the crawler lacks power. Actually the power is less than before the overhaul. I have heard through the grapevine that the timing process outlined in the service manual is incorrect causing the power loss. Does anyone have the proper timing process and procedures that I can use to time the crawler?
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JD dozer mike

11-18-2005 16:07:39




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 Re: 1010 diesel crawler timing in reply to Roger2561, 11-13-2005 11:10:52  
if the 1010 has the same style injection pump as the 2010 (i think it does) loosten the 2 1/2" bolts that hold the injectoin pump and twist the pump (like a distrubuter on a gas) untill the engine smoothes out.

I just got done putting my 2010 motor together, like someone else said . The oil pump needs to be timed, at 45% from cam shaft, slot facing #4 piston.when at #1 cylinder TDC compression. THESE ARE HELICLE cut gears on the oil pump, that means the shaft will turn about 30% when slid into place. so the 45% angle is when installed NOT before installation, . If when you line up the timing marks on the fuel injection pump(behind the little window)and it does not slip in easily without turning the pump, timing is incorrect. it can easily be off by one gear tooth, so be watchfull.

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jdemaris

11-14-2005 05:47:34




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 Re: 1010 diesel crawler timing in reply to Roger2561, 11-13-2005 11:10:52  
I've heard similar complaints for years dating back to when the 1010s and 2010s were new. I've also heard the complaints about the Deere tech. manual being wrong and the IT wheel-tractor manual being correct. That has NOT been my experience. Just about all the fuel-timing and/or pump installation problems that I got involved in - were due to a misunderstanding of the literature - and/or using specs. for the wrong injection pump. We had similar problems with the 1010/2010 gas engines with distributor installation. The most common problem is getting the engine oil-pump drive-gear in the correct position - since it ultimately, drives the fuel injection pump. I've never used the book, or the special Deere service tool (AM450T). I don't find it necessary - I just stick the oil pump in, observe its position on the injection-pump drive end, and if it's not right - I take it back out and move it one tooth. I never found this to be a problem. In general, most diesel engines, if not timed properly, will spit, sputter, smoke, break-up, start hard, etc. - expecially when cold. They won't run smooth yet underpowered due to a timing problem. If your engine is running smooth - I'd suspect a low-fuel delivery problem. That being said, many Deere engines run better with the static fuel timing advance over what the factory calls for, and sometimes with some advance added also (to cut in earlier). Some early 3010s and 4010s that use pumps similar to some 1010s were set, initially, to fire at 10-14 degrees BTC instead of TDC. I've seen this work on some 1010s and 2010s depending on the individual machine and the specific pump that is on it. Once the injection pump is in, and the pump lines are aligned with the engine on TDC of compression sroke for #1 cylinder - you know the oil-pump is installed properly. You need to know what injection pump you have - with "load" advance, or "speed" advance. E.g., a DBGVC429-1AJ - the "429" indicates it is a four cylinder engine pump with .29" fuel plungers - and Deere spec. series "1AJ" that designates "load advance." Other pumps that end with "1DH" or "3AJ" use a speed advance for running fuel timing.

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Roger2561

11-20-2005 10:14:24




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 Re: 1010 diesel crawler timing in reply to jdemaris, 11-14-2005 05:47:34  
jdemaris, I timed the fuel pump to the specs. outlined in the service manual. However, when I install the fuel pump the timing marks behind the little window do not line up regardless what I try; move the oil pump gear one way or the other one cog at a time, no luck. It will not line up even if I loosen the fuel pump mounting bolts and rotate the pump. Both marks are visible but they do not line up. Looking at the timing marks through the pump window, the lower line is behind the upper line about an 1/8th of an inch but I can not get it any closer. Any advice?

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jdemaris

11-20-2005 12:03:57




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 Re: 1010 diesel crawler timing in reply to Roger2561, 11-20-2005 10:14:24  
Without going out to my shop and looking at a pump degree timing window, I think 1/8" equals around four degrees on the pump, and therefore eight degrees on the engine since the pump runs at half engine speed. That's quite a bit. Now, if I understand you correctly, you are saying that if you advance, or retard, the oil-pump gear by one tooth, the injection pump comes completely out of range and you can't see the line at all? I don't think that is something I have ever encountered if true. Are you sure that the oil pump teeth aren't slipping back into the same place although you think they are advanced or retarded? I've seen that happen many times since the gears are sloped and helical. Anyway, it's pretty easy to verify. The tech. manual shows you - if the injection pump is off, and you look down the hole at the slot in the end of the oil=pump drive - exactly what position that slot is supposed to be in. Once verified, look at the corresponding tang on the drive of the injection pump. If that too, is in the correct location, and the timing lines of pump are NOT lined up - then the injection pump probably has the wrong timing lines in it. That piece of metal that has the moving timing line (that rotates) does not have a timing mark when new. The part (governor weight retainer) is generic and fits many injection pumps. So, when being installed for the first time, new or as a repair, the installer is supposed to figure out where the line is supposed to be - and use an etching machine to put the line on it. So, it may be etched on to the wrong position, or it may be a part taken from another pump, or other possibilities, I guess. If it were me, at this point, I'd run the machine. If it seems to be running too retarded or advanced, and the pump won't twist any further to accomodate, I might try simply grinding the slot longer since you say you're only lacking an 1/8". Also, if you have access to a timing light - it would enable you to ascertain when the pump is actually firing in regard to the TDC or BTDC position of number one cylinder. In other words, it would tell you if the timing lines are "lying" to you, or not. Using a timing light requires a pulse-pickup adapter. They are expensive and not many people have them.

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Roy Suomi

11-13-2005 19:39:51




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 Re: 1010 diesel crawler timing in reply to Roger2561, 11-13-2005 11:10:52  
Go to your local Tractor Supply or tractor parts place and pick-up a 1010 wheel tractor IT manual. I don't have the number of the publication. I was so fed up with that job that I sent the IT manual with the customer and his Deere manual...My overhaul lacked power and smoked heavy gray . I wasted a good portion of my life on this overhaul. Bound and determined not to let this kick my a-- . I resorted to the IT manual..

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