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Nick Az.

11-26-2005 11:22:53




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Hi, I'm new to dozers and looking at a JD350 in Az. and need a little...a lot of help/info.
It belongs to the original owner's son and the engine was recently rebuilt and says the bottom rollers are the only major thing in need of replacement. (What else can be checked visually)?
He thinks it's a 1961/62 can this be?
What is the availability of parts for this model and where. I have a JD dealer near, what about after MKT, any suggestions/links?
How difficult is it to change the rollers and what else should be checked/changed at the same time?
Can the model # be confirmed off the s/n #, if so where would I find a list of s/n #'s to cross it to the year.
What would you est. a price for this year/model?
Last what is the est. weight?

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Mark/ca

11-28-2005 07:22:37




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 Re: JD350 info in reply to Nick Az., 11-26-2005 11:22:53  
Nick,

I thought that I would ad a few things here; questions like yours about the purchase of a 350 have been asked on here a lot over the years. It would be worth it to spend the time to back in the arcihives and read it. If you do not know much about dozers I would take someone with you who does. If you do not know someone, then it may be worth it to have the local Deere dealership go out and to a field inspection. I did this on a 350C i bought sight unseen 6 years ago and am glad I did. It cost me about $350, but $350 is nothing when it comes to repairs/parts. I used this tractor all the time and have had zero trouble. In the blink of an eye, a guy could rack up 10K in repairs on a 350. You get what you pay for. I'll also ad, I love the 350's, have two in fact. They are no D-8 by any means, but they have their place. Good luck.

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Nick Az.

11-28-2005 08:33:38




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 Re: JD350 info in reply to Mark/ca, 11-28-2005 07:22:37  
Mark,

Point well taken and I've been trying to sort threw the archives and not to reinvent the wheel. I really like what I've heard about the 350's and their size is just what I'm looking for easy transport. If you or anyone else knows of a smaller dozer like the 350, please send the info or me in the right direction. I'm use to turning the wrenches, but then again I don't want a $ pit! Are you in Calf.? What is the availability of these out there? Thanks....

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Mark/ca

11-28-2005 22:01:11




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 Re: JD350 info in reply to Nick Az., 11-28-2005 08:33:38  
Nick,

I do not know much about other small dozers. I have had one 350C since it early 80's and the other for about 6 yrs. They have never let me down. Yes, I am in Calif. I do not see many for sale in Ca. I am looking for another but am very picky. There are any where from 2 to 8 or 10 for sale in the Or, Wa, Id, edition of the equipment trader. That would be my only lead. -Mark



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Nick Az.

11-26-2005 21:13:16




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 Re: JD350 info in reply to Nick Az., 11-26-2005 11:22:53  
It is a 350 for sure and not a 1010.
Does this change anything?



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jdemaris

11-27-2005 06:35:56




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 Re: JD350 info in reply to Nick Az., 11-26-2005 21:13:16  
If it is a 350 it cannot be an early 1960s crawler. The 350 series began around 1966. A six-way blade is an inside blade. An outside blade it supported by a big arm on each side of the crawler -and the arms mount on the outside of the tracks. The arms that attach to the 6-way blade are inside of the tracks. Thus the terms "inside" and "outside." In regard to your question if it being a 350 "changes anything", well yeah, it's a different machine. Generally speaking a 350 is worth more and is usually more rugged - but it got more rugged and heavier as time went on. 1010 crawlers - when used very hard- tend to break steering clutch housings, crack transmisson cases, side-frames, had a weak center bearing in the reverser if so equipped,etc. When the first 350 came out, it had the same weaknesses. But, replacement parts got beefed up - including stonger steering clutch housings and trans. cases and side frames - and these parts also were used for replacement in the 1010s. The hydraulic reverser also got beefed up.
Along the way, 350 got an updated drive mechanism to connect the engine to the reverser - and it was WORSE than the 1010 and early 350 type. 350s also went though various changes to the method of attaching the crossbar to the two track-frames. From my point of view, they were all lousy. I think the original 1010 setup was the best. Early 350s had the crossbar mounted solid to the track-frames. They would crack, break, bolts would pull out, etc. So, many got welded together - what a mess. Later 350s used a floating system where the trackframes attached by floating dowells. This stopped the cracking, but now instead everything got worn and sloppy. At the same time, the 450 had a much more massive mounting system and gave little trouble. I still don't know what Deere was thinking. Other smaller crawlers, like Cletrac HGs, Cat D2, Allis Chalmers HDs series had some sort of suspension that would give over uneven ground. In fact, Allis Chalmers offered most crawlers in two versions - a "flatland" model that was mounted solid like a 350 Deere - mostly used in landfills and such, and a "rough-ground" model that had a suspension with give. Back to Deere 350s. The engines got slightly larger over time - the diesel went from 152 c.i. to 164 c.i. to 179 c.i. When the 350C series came out the steering clutches were changed over to a wet seutp, with disks that ride in oil and are hydraulically activated. We had miserable problems with them when they first came out - but eventually they got better. Personally, I don't see a big advantage over the older dry clutches when you figure in the cost of replacement parts, longevity, etc. Yeah, I've heard many complain about the dry clutches getting stuck when parked for a long time. Well, keep the water out of them - and tie a string on the steering levers to keep pressure of the clutches when in storage and they are fine. When the 350D came out, the drive mechanism that connects the engine to the reverser was finally updated to something that didn't fall apart every year. Eventually, the 400 repalced the 350 series.
Then, this caused a problem with many State conservation agencies. They had a mandate to buy U.S. built equipment - yet - after Deere stopped making the 350D and 450E, and replaced them with heavier machines - there were no longer ANY U.S. built crawlers that fell under the maximum weight requirements that many states had - i.e. there was no new U.S. crawlers in the lower weight class built anymore.
So - Deere started the "Certified Relife" program. In regard to the 350, it only applied to 350Cs and 350Ds. You trade it in, Deere updates it and sells it back to you - for around $30,000 - $50,000.

Here's a list of what Deere uses to update the 350s.
Repower Engine 3 Cylinder 179 CU IN Torsional Isolator AT77319 Transmission/Steering Clutch AT125953 Steering Clutch (2) AT37548 Hydraulic Reverser Clutch With Manifold Final Drive JD7424(2), JD8100(2), T112784(2) JD8939(2), JD7416(2) T59769(2), AT36097(2), JD9079(2) JD9114, JD9113(2), JD9048(2) Hydraulic Pump AT38801 Valve 3 Spool AT71452 Cylinder Seals AR105454(2) Structure Bushing AU13822 Pin (2) U11121 Bushing (4) Radiator AT32087 Alternator TY161 Starter TY6702 Sheet Metal T32072 Left Side AT31177 Right Side AT104583 Hood Undercarriage AT104780 Roller (10) T129879 Sprocket (2) AT132705 Idler Roller (2) AT104595 Idler Kit Left AT104596 Idler Kit Right AT148540 Track with Shoes (2) Push Beam AT58688 Blade AT62829 (80 IN) Battery TY21741(2) Engine Wiring Harness AT64568 Seat AT105140 Fan Belt T24473 Lights AT135486(3) Muffler AT21689 Hourmeter AT160120 Paint Miscellaneous Bearings and Pulleys

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Nick Az.

11-27-2005 10:53:29




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 Re: JD350 info in reply to jdemaris, 11-27-2005 06:35:56  
Good info, and with that;
What year did they start the 350 "Relife"?
What year did they start the 400's, How did they fair?
If the "relife" was for 350 C & D, I take it the 350's & B's are still all stock replacement parts aside from what was beefed up over time.
Will the engines have a I.D. tag that shows the CU IN? Or is it part of the main dozer S/N ?
I read in another forum that the main S/N is located under the seat area Y/N?
Which wheeled tractors use the same engines as the 350? Were they Gas, Diesel or both?
Did the (GAS) 350's come out with full hyd. 6 way blades too?
Who are reasonalble after mkt. suppliers out west?
Thanks again....

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jdemaris

11-27-2005 15:05:30




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 Re: JD350 info in reply to Nick Az., 11-27-2005 10:53:29  
I'll think I'll be dead of old age before I can answer all that - but I'll try. The Deere Certified Relife program began around 1994. It was a direct result of Deere no longer making the 350D and Case dropping their 350. The Deere 400 must have come out around 1989. That's the last year I worked at a Deere dealership and I remember seeing a few come in. The engine will have an ID tag that will give you the engine model number and serial number. From the model number you can ascertain the cubic inches. The crawler serial number is under the seat - unless it's a crawler-loader. Wheeled tractors that use the same engine as the 350 series include 820 Manheim, 830 Manheim, 1020, 300 industrial, 380 forklift, 1520, 1530, 2040, 2155, maybe more. 135 gas, 152, 164, and 179 diesel engines. Gas engine crawlers had the same options as diesel (like blades, reversers, etc.). Gas engines were phased out with the 350C series. So was reverse in the transmision. Before the "C" series, hydraulic reversers were optional, so all the gear transmissions also had reverse. With the "C" series, the hydraulic reverser was standard equipent so reverse was left out of the gear transmission. I don't know anything about reasonable aftermarket suppliers for Deere crawlers. Back in the 80s Deere Company (and Case, et.al.) started monitoring what parts were being sold aftermarket. So, whenever they found someone was underselling them, they dropped their own prices accordingly. So, for most things - you don't find a vast savings with aftermarket unless there's a big drop in quality. I recently had a bout with that with my backhoe. I bought a bunch of aftermarket pins and bushings - with maybe a 10% savings over that of OEM - and every one of the items was around $15 apiece. But, I found one bushing that was NOT available aftermarket - so I had to buy it from the dealer. The d*mn thing cost $65 !! They saw me coming and knew I could't get it anywhere else.

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Nick Az.

11-26-2005 21:03:04




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 Re: JD350 info in reply to Nick Az., 11-26-2005 11:22:53  
Yes, it does have a 6 way Hyd. blade.
He Never said what fuel type or reverse. I will need to see it up close to see what shape the UC looks like.
What about a link to confirm s/n #'s to the year or does it really matter?
What is meant by inside blade?
Also are ROPS available for these years? Thank you for your response.



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jdemaris

11-26-2005 15:02:08




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 Re: JD350 info in reply to Nick Az., 11-26-2005 11:22:53  
The 350 series didn't come out until 1966-67 when it repaced the 1010 series that began around 1960. The machihes are quite different but share the same transmission and some final drive parts. The all 1010s have four cylinder engines and all 350s have three cylinder engines. You didn't mention what it has for a dozer blade. If it's a 350 diesel (not gas) and has a hydraulic reverser and a full hydraulic 6 way blade, in decent shape it will often bring over $7000 - sometime well over. Same machine with a bad undercarriage - I often find them in the $4000 - $5500 range. I recently had a chance to buy a 350 with a winch, clutch drive (no reverser) and a 6 way mechanical blade - these machines were sold as "loggers specials." It had just about no undercarriage left and the guy wanted $4000 for it. I offered him $2000 and he wouldn't take it. A few days later, he got the $4000. If the machine is a 1010 - it's worth less than a 350, but I still see good ones sell for $5000-$6000. I also come across bad ones for $1500. Parts availability for the 350 is fine. Same engine is used in several wheel tractors. 1010 is not so good. You can get most parts but some are very expensive. Undercarriage parts are available from Deere or aftermarket. Bottom rollers for 350, 1010, and 420-430-440s are the same. But, it the undercarriage on a 350 is very worn - you've got some work to do and money to spend. The crossbar that the track frames bolt to gets worn, or broken. Often, the bolts that hold the bottom rollers on are stripped, broken, etc. Then there is the issue of sprockets, track chain (or pins and bushings), updated the track adjusters, etc. It can be a lot of work. Some parts need to be built up with weld and ground back to specs. I worked for several Deere dealers - and one of the jobs I dreaded the most was an undercarriage rebuild on a 350. The 450s held up much better. But, we have a lot of hardpan and shale in my area and it tears crawlers up. So do loggers. I've seen 350s in areas with soft clay and sand base soil and they hold up much better - as long as they're not used as bunching machines by loggers. Weight - bare 350 probably weighs around 8000 lbs. A bare 1010 diesel weighs 7600 lbs. A 6 way blade setup is probably close to another 2000 lbs. My weight specs. may be a little off - but they're close. Maybe someone will corrrect me. I've got an Allis Chalmers HD4 dozer and it weighs 8000 lbs (without the dozer) and it's around the same size as a 350.

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Mark/ca

11-27-2005 18:47:54




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 Re: JD350 info in reply to jdemaris, 11-26-2005 15:02:08  
My 350C 6-way w/ rippers is about 10,500lbs



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jdemaris

11-27-2005 19:12:33




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 Re: JD350 info in reply to Mark/ca, 11-27-2005 18:47:54  
I've got rippers on my 1010 (Deere #35). The rear ripper weighs 800 lbs., the 6-way dozer weighs 2000 lbs., so it sounds like the 350C crawler itself weighs 7,700 lbs. just a little less than my HD4 at 8500 lbs. and the HD3 at 7645 lbs.



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Nick Az.

11-28-2005 08:46:55




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 Re: JD350 info in reply to jdemaris, 11-27-2005 19:12:33  
You've mentioned a few makes & models in the lighter dozers that seem to better!
Are there any out there to stay away from????



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