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350B fuel issue

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farrviewsouth

11-29-2005 11:53:25




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I got the 350B out of storage last week and was piling up manure (about 30 degrees). Engine seemed to lose power, then it sudddenly quit. No diesel fumes at exhaust or when cranking over.
I assumed either fuel gelled and I ran out of fuel. Added fuel, manually pumped lever and only had a resistance on part of stroke. Seemed like after setting for a few minutes, I had more resistance. Pulled line to Injector pump and was getting some fuel through but none to injectors.

Questions: The T. manual is not clear how I verfiy that the fuel pump is putting enough fuel to the I. pump. How can I check it

If I must pull the I. pump, how do I put #1 on TDC without a spark plug hole to verify compression stroke

Any tips on removing the bottom mounting nut on the injector pump. It doesn't seem a 9/16 open wrench will go on because of casting clearance.

Thanks in advance

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farrviewsouth

11-30-2005 16:31:46




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 Re: 350B fuel issue in reply to farrviewsouth, 11-29-2005 11:53:25  
To heck with the rain..
Seemed to be getting fuel draining out of the line at the fuel pump but went ahead and blew it out, the weather was 40 degrees, bled the lines and then check the solenoid lead to be sure it was not grounding out with dirt.

Went to supper, came back out and started it up.. ran well.....Thanks..... I am assuming the line was plugged and the fuel started to set up.



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farrviewsouth

11-30-2005 16:30:12




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 Re: 350B fuel issue in reply to farrviewsouth, 11-29-2005 11:53:25  
To heck with the rain..
Seemed to be getting fuel draining out of the line at the fuel pump but went ahead and blew it out, the weather was 40 degrees, bled the lines and then check the solenoid lead to be sure it was not grounding out with dirt.

Went to supper, came back out and started it up.. ran well.....Thanks..... I am assuming the line was plugged and the fuel started to set up.



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jj05

11-30-2005 09:40:39




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 Re: 350B fuel issue in reply to farrviewsouth, 11-29-2005 11:53:25  
Like mentioned previously, the petcock at the tank plugging is a big issue. Also check filters and return line. I have seen a stuck check valve on the return line cause this.



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Farrviewsouth

11-30-2005 06:54:59




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 Re: 350B fuel issue in reply to farrviewsouth, 11-29-2005 11:53:25  
As always,good people taking time to help
Thank you for the suggestions and as soon as the rain stops,I will get back to the dozer. Will let you know what I find
Bruce



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jdemaris

11-29-2005 20:08:07




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 Re: 350B fuel issue in reply to farrviewsouth, 11-29-2005 11:53:25  
The injection pump needs fuel delivered to it in order to run, but it doesn't have to be under any pressure. A gravity feed of fuel would work just as well as a fuel pump. So, as long as a clean stream of fuel is getting to the pump (not full of air) it's all it needs - but the air is a key issue. As far as the quantity the injector pump needs? Basically, what goes in, goes out. It needs the same amount of fuel going in, as it has to send out through the injectors. In regard to the fuel pump itself, very often the arm inside pump arm linkage gets worn, but the hand primer on the outside still works - so - it's not uncommon to have a worn out fuel pump that won't work off the engine, but WILL work off the hand primer. Also, in regard to fuel blockage, the fuel petcock that screws into the bottom of the fuel tank has a tiny passageway in it - maybe 1/8" a best and plugs pretty easy. To get the engine on TDC of compression stroke for #1 cylinder - you take the little timing window off the pump (if you have a DB or JDB pump) and crank engine until you see the two timing lines line up with each other. If you have a C pump, than there is timing pin on the pump, that you take off, turn around, and you stick into the timing hole. Back to the DB/JDB pump - when the lines seem to be lined up, take the big timing pin out the engine, turn it around, and stick it back into the hole it came from. This pin is part of a 1/2" bolt that is screwed into the engine and holds a little inspection cover on. Take it out with a 3/4" socket. It is a threaded bolt on one side and a straight pin on the other. When you stick the pin back into the hole, there will be a corresponding hole in the flywheel that it will go into when the engine is exactly on TDC. In regard to the bottom 3/8" nut on the injection pump - there is a special wrench made for it - Snap On sells it. When in a pinch, you can usually knock it loose with a hammer and a screwdriver (not very good for the screwdriver though).

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barryinmn

11-29-2005 20:01:27




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 Re: 350B fuel issue in reply to farrviewsouth, 11-29-2005 11:53:25  
Check pump governor by unscrewing cover plate on side of injector pump. Small rectangular shape with two screws. Small black pieces means a rebuild is in order. Mine would start then stall.

To get off cut off & grind down a box end wrench to fit over nut. I leave the stubby on for next time.

Timing is set by aligning 2 scribe lines looking into opening under cover removed in para above. There is a threaded stud on engine and hole in flywheel casting. Unscrew stud and push in hole to lock flywheel in TDC. 2 person operation one to rotate engine (I pry on pump in front of eng.) Other presses on stud till it drops in hole in flywheel. Note: match the scribe lines in pump! could get 180 out

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Steveb1

11-29-2005 14:51:31




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 Re: 350B fuel issue in reply to farrviewsouth, 11-29-2005 11:53:25  
First thing to check is at the fuel pump inlet line, back to tank. Just disconnect line at pump and blow compressed air back to tank until you hear air gurgling in tank. Re attach line and start. Sometimes youb will get a stubborn peice of sludge clogging things up.



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