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DaveD3B

01-15-2006 08:34:17




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As a regular watcher of this forum I have learned a great deal, I have come to value dicsussion forums. I am in the market for a bigger dump truck. Does anyone know of a forum similar to this one where the topics would inclued heavy trucks. I am a Cat fan but would like to learn more about other engines. Thanks.




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RodInNS

01-16-2006 19:44:41




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 Re: Heavy Trucks in reply to DaveD3B, 01-15-2006 08:34:17  
Don't know about other fourms..... But like Old said, you can build a truck from an old highway tractor. That's what I did. That's probably not as common as it used to be though. Tractors now often have a light front, and not real heavy rears. The light front will be rather restrictive on your legal weight. The rears are fine. Also, a lot of guys don't like air ride for vocational trucks, but personally, I like it. You do need to be more careful though, as they probably aren't as stable on rough terrain when dumping. The biggest thing to watch for with old tractors today is the cab. Probably 75% of the tractors today have integral bunks, and it's a bugger of a job to pull the back out of the cab, chop the cab forward, and put the back in place again. Watch for many of the Fords (9000), the Eagle's with the small flat top bunks, most of the Macks, the "Star's, and some Freightliners. Of the Freightliner's, the Classics are probably the easiest to get with the removable bunk. It's hard to get one with a setback front axle though..... In my area, the old Ford 9000 was the most commonly converted tractor, followed by the Eagle.
Once you pass the mid 90's, tractors with removable bunks become more rare. Kenworth is another one to watch. If you're looking for Cat engines, the 3406 is surely one of the toughest engines ever made. The 3176 wasn't bad either, but is more of the disposable fleet engine... The 3176 is pretty good on fuel, especially at the lower power specs. Personally, I like Cummins. Not a Detroit fan, but they've come a long way since the old days. Realistically, most any of the engines in use in heavy trucks today are quite good. I would just watch out for the euro engines like Mercedes.... They're good, but if you've got to put money in them, they're going to want a lot of money.... sorta like a Cat... snicker... If I had my choice on transmissions, I'd go for a 13, followed by a 15, then a 9. Hardly a need for an 18 in a tandem.... Lots of guys like the 8LL too, but I'd rather the splitter on the high side with the 13.... Depends on what you're doing... HTH.

Rod

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jhill

01-16-2006 05:15:59




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 Re: Heavy Trucks in reply to DaveD3B, 01-15-2006 08:34:17  
Try this site. There is some truck discussion on there. Link



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NC Wayne

01-15-2006 21:56:56




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 Re: Heavy Trucks in reply to DaveD3B, 01-15-2006 08:34:17  
I don't know what your considering a "heavy truck" but in what Freightliner calls their business class you can't beat a FL-106 with a series 50 Detroit. It's basically a "standard" business class truck but with a heavier frame, and the option of the heavier Detroit engine. I've seen them in both tandem and single axel configurations, so that shouldn't be an issue. The problem is they aren't that easy to find with the Detroit. I've got a single axel with a 275 HP Series50 backed with a MD6060P Allison automatic for my field service truck. The good thing about the Allison MD is that it's a 6 speed. That's first to fourth, which puts you in direct drive, then fifth and sixth are both overdrives. On a flat stretch of interstate the engine's only turning in the 1600 RPM range at 70 MPH. It's also mean pulling a grade too. I spent over three months, year before last, back and forth to the mountains for a job. Going up the grades I either had to beat the other trucks to the bottom and get in front of them or hold back all the way to the top. It runs loaded, at nearly 30,000lbs, full time and I typically get in the 6-8 MPG range with it. With all the mountain trips I was averaging in the low 6's and now the last 3 months of last year I put nearly 5000 miles of mostly flat highway miles around home I figured it at nearly 8. In reality it's probably a little higher than this though because I also run an auxiliary engine for my compressor and crane hydraulics off one tank so every drop of fuel it uses lowers my actual MPG calculations for the truck itself. You can find this truck with a little heaver Allison auto or with a standard transmission and get the Series 50 on up to like 315 HP. I'd love to have the extra HP but the computer blocks me out because of the transmission I've got. Still with 275HP, loads of torque, and the amount of weight I carry around I can't complain one bit about the combination I've got. I love my truck and wouldn't trade it for anything else I've seen or driven...and I looked at ALOT of used C&C's before getting mine. Of course this is just my .02..... ..

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old

01-15-2006 08:55:46




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 Re: Heavy Trucks in reply to DaveD3B, 01-15-2006 08:34:17  
Ok I'll bite, what are you talking about as a bigger dump turck? Tandem axle a euka or what. Did you know a lot of tandem axle dump trucks are retired over the road trucks with dump beds put on them. Shoot when I got in to dump trucking I built my own dump truck. I started with a 1963 Diamnod-T road tractor and made it 24 inches longer and set a 10 foot long dump bed on and added a wt kit to it.

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