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Backhoe/How DO THEY Do That???

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Beakeeper

01-22-2006 07:42:56




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Bought a middle 80's Ford 655 4x4 TLB. Really like the machine except I learned backhoe operation ( 11 years) on a joystick machine & find I'm REALLY inept with the 4 lever Ford paddle controls on this machine.. I've seen referenced that these machines can be converted to John Deere Joysticks fairly easily. Is that true??? Do they make a kit or do you need used parts from a specific model John Deere? ANY help/info appreciated!!!!!

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Beakeeper

03-04-2006 14:35:49




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 Re: Backhoe/How DO THEY Do That??? in reply to Beakeeper, 01-22-2006 07:42:56  
Welp... Ford I found out did make a conversion for the 555A&B & 655A. When they made it in the 80"s the price was $1600.... I did find a bone yard with a 555A that had joysticks ( you could order"em either way..) Bought everthing required to do an unbolt-unpin & repin-rebolt conversion. Once it warms up I"ll get to it/COLD up here in the Northeast.... I still been playing for fun with the 4 levers... I doubt I"ll ever get comfortable/GOOD with them.. When I really get going to the point I can stop thinking & do it automaticaly, I revert to right hand controls bucket& dipper & lose it... I"ll be happy when I convert it. The machine in general seems to be a top flight digger for a machine of it"s era...

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ross in ns

01-23-2006 03:39:28




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 Re: Backhoe/How DO THEY Do That??? in reply to Beakeeper, 01-22-2006 07:42:56  
hi there practice or experience has everything to do with it rather than how many levers i run back hoe with joy sticks and a pulp loader with joy sticks but they are opposite on the hoe when you pull back on lever boom comes in to you while on pulp loader when you pull back on lever the booms are going away from you not any problems i have also run loader with 4 lvers and a set of peddels and a porter with 5 lever on the valve bank be patient withwhat you have and remember first you get good then you get fast ross in nova scotia

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NC Wayne

01-22-2006 22:23:11




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 Re: Backhoe/How DO THEY Do That??? in reply to Beakeeper, 01-22-2006 07:42:56  
I learned how to operate a backhoe with a 4 stick and would take one of them over the joystick model anyday. In my case I have to agree with one of the other posts, I am alot smoother with 4 sticks than with two. With two sticks the movements are both front to back as well as side to side while with a 4 stick all movements are front to back. To me it's alot more comfortable to be able to rest both hands on top of the sticks and let my fingers do the pulling and the upper arm and a little wrist action do the pushing work. With two sticks your "holding onto" instead of "resting on" and the wrist alone catches pretty much all of the action because with the reduced distance to actuate the controls that's all the motion required. I've always used my pinkie and ring finger on each hand to pull the outer levers and the palm, at the base of the pinkie to push them. For the inner two I use my index and middle finger to pull and my thumb with some wrist action to push. I wish I could tell you how to do it better but it's just something you have to practice. One thing I've found to be true in 90 percent of the cases where guys are fussing about a 4 stick is that they have smaller hands or simply short fingers. In that case there's nothing you can do but practice harder or change it over. As for me I'll go with 4 sticks any day....

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gm

01-22-2006 17:38:38




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 Re: Backhoe/How DO THEY Do That??? in reply to Beakeeper, 01-22-2006 07:42:56  
was looking at a 655a, how is the digging power on your machine? you know what the difference is between that and a 555?



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Beakeeper

01-23-2006 04:12:07




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 Re: Backhoe/How DO THEY Do That??? in reply to gm, 01-22-2006 17:38:38  
655 vs 555... 4 cylinder engine/more HP & digs 1 foot deeper. Compared to the 1983 Case 530 I had if I could master the controls, the Ford is a supperior digging hoe/fast, not to offend the Case fans out there, thats just my expierence....



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Steve Crum

01-22-2006 16:05:02




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 Re: Backhoe/How DO THEY Do That??? in reply to Beakeeper, 01-22-2006 07:42:56  
I have a Deere 310A backhoe with the 2 joysticks, wouldn't own anything else. I started out on an old Ford hoe, like tiein' your shoes with one hand compared to the Deere. Some of the early Cases were no better. Some day I'll try a new hoe just to see what 25 years of progress has wrought.



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jim fleischman

01-22-2006 15:32:30




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 Re: Backhoe/How DO THEY Do That??? in reply to Beakeeper, 01-22-2006 07:42:56  
I recently bought a Ford 4500 with a 755 (4 lever) backhoe. Working the controls wasn't too big a deal mentally but while concentrating on the work my hands would sometimes be on the wrong lever than what I thought. Many boo boos. I converted mine to a 2 lever John Deere style arrangement. All mechanical, no valve replumbing or repositioning. Cost under $50 in parts and some creative welding/fabricating. Works spectacular and is very intuitive. Email me (with "backhoe" in the header so I don't delete it) and I will send photos and instructions.

Jim

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dave in vermont

01-22-2006 17:16:28




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 Re: Backhoe/How DO THEY Do That??? in reply to jim fleischman, 01-22-2006 15:32:30  
Jim Your backhoe control conversion sounds neat. Can you send me a pix/details? I have an old case backhoe with too many levers!
Many thanks, Dave



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Z6562

01-22-2006 15:01:05




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 Re: Backhoe/How DO THEY Do That??? in reply to Beakeeper, 01-22-2006 07:42:56  
Have owned operated both four lever and two lever fords 555.Im my opinion if you change over.You have slower cicle times.If you get used four level smoother and faster response.



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JA in OK

01-22-2006 12:58:08




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 Re: Backhoe/How DO THEY Do That??? in reply to Beakeeper, 01-22-2006 07:42:56  
Used to run a Ford 555d and 555e. Both had the joystick controls.



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Billy NY

01-22-2006 11:32:41




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 Re: Backhoe/How DO THEY Do That??? in reply to Beakeeper, 01-22-2006 07:42:56  
I've often wondered how operators used to deal with the 4 stick set up, got on a Dynahoe once that had 4 sticks and the the knobs were the size of a cue ball, hard to master. I seems that you have to keep both levers under the control of each hand, use your fingers to move each, the knobs were certainly big enough. Kind of uncomfortable, might be a matter of preference, but joystick is so much easier. It is hard to adapt and you have to be careful as you don't have the same control you have when using levers that are familiar to you. I rented a Cat 420 D last spring and the controls were reversed, I had to call the rental house up and ask where to find the switch, ( outside of the cab, behind the rear wheel ) just could not be productive with the controls reversed and this was a paying job, time was costly. Used to switch between a 977-L and 980 wheel loaders and the sticks were reversed, at first it was tough, but eventually I became ambidextrous, but that was just two levers reversed between machines.

The only other one I can recall was a foot swing, has a pedal for the swing mechanism, Case made these, hard to get used to, but I think after awhile not too bad once you get the coordination part of it.

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thepinkpanther

01-22-2006 11:13:35




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 Re: Backhoe/How DO THEY Do That??? in reply to Beakeeper, 01-22-2006 07:42:56  
.....you can find used ones or ones that have been traded out for a couple hundred dollars.no big deal to install.



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RodInNS

01-22-2006 09:12:36




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 Re: Backhoe/How DO THEY Do That??? in reply to Beakeeper, 01-22-2006 07:42:56  
I could be wrong, but I think you'll find that Ford also had a joystick option. In fact, I'm quite sure they did. Might be worth a trip to your local NH dealer and see what you need to convert it over.... and then mabey a trip to a salvage yard. I don' think you'll need any Deere parts. HTH.

Rod



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