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Can bogged dozer sustain water or mud damage?

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RussT

01-23-2006 08:31:07




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My JD 450C is stuck in the mud right now. I tried the old "chain the log to the tracks" trick but it sucked the log under and broke the chain. Now the top of my left track is about a foot under the mud (soup) and the right is a few inches above the mud. The cooling fan started slinging mud but I used the blade to raise the engine out of the mud a little. I'm wondering if the mud or water can damage the crawler. I can't think of anything it can get into unless the dip stick goes under. I sure would appreciate any opinions on what I need to watch out for. Thanks in advance. RussT

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va-smitty

01-24-2006 06:18:11




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 Re: Can bogged dozer sustain water or mud damage? in reply to RussT, 01-23-2006 08:31:07  
check this site out, this guy has resurected crawlers from the bottom of lakes in the great white north. plus it is an interesting read about old crawlers and what they were used for. i would love to go on one of his CAT Train Tours.

http://www.kingofobsolete.ca/



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NC Wayne

01-23-2006 21:34:05




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 Re: Can bogged dozer sustain water or mud damage? in reply to RussT, 01-23-2006 08:31:07  
Had a customer a few years back spend nearly $16,000 on an older machine, rebuilding the engine, replacing the radiator core that had rotted out, and generally fixing it up and getting it in working condition. Within a year it was stuck in a creek and left over the weekend because they had no way to get it out til they got their other machine moved to the site on Monday. They hooked up to it with the other machine and made the mistake of starting the stuck machine and letting it "help itself" out while being pulled. By the time they hit dry land the clutch packs in the transmission were wasted (water and sand went in through a vent and the oil had disappeared out), the hydraulics were full of water, the steering clutch housings were full of sand, and the engine had also gotten water and a small amount of sand in it but overall ran and didn't appear to be hurt. The cost to make all the needed repairs this time was gonna be astronomical, if the transmission parts could have been found (all discontinued) so the man now has a $16,000 yard ornament. GET YOURS OUT ASAP...unless you can afford an expensive new ornament.

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MrBill

01-23-2006 19:24:38




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 Re: Can bogged dozer sustain water or mud damage? in reply to RussT, 01-23-2006 08:31:07  
I got my 350b stuck last year and took an excavator to get it out. A BIG excavator. Tried a tractor but there was no way it was going budge the dozer. The dozer bucket just stirred up the mucky clay, could not walk it back, no bottom to that soft clay. The wet clay just packed into the tracks too and then there was no traction. I dug the clay out of the tracks and before they could make 1 full rotation they were all packed full again.

It took a BIG excavator to get it out. I think it weighed 30,000 pounds and my 350b weighs about 12,000.

Good luck!
MrBill

Here is a pic:

http://www.misterpond.com/images/stuck.jpg

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RodInNS

01-23-2006 10:07:13




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 Re: Can bogged dozer sustain water or mud damage? in reply to RussT, 01-23-2006 08:31:07  
If you don't have something to pull with, then block it up and drive it out. If you can't drive wood under the tracks, then build a base under the blade, then jack it up with the blade, and keep working it under the tracks. Move up onto the wood, and keep building a solid base. This may require a lot of wood..... The last mess I was in with my D4H was a 2-1/2' deep black bog. It took a couple hours of blocking and wiggeling and cursing, but it finally came out.... There's no feeling in the world like seeing the sprokets of a high track going under..... and nothing close at hand to pull her out. If you have the option, get a much larger dozer to pull it out. It's going to take at least one size larger than you have, on good footing to pull that out. There is a tremendous amount of suction. I wouldn't even consider leaving it there; not this time of year. Might freeze in, and then you're in big trouble. HTH.

Rod

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the tractor vet

01-23-2006 09:26:41




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 Re: Can bogged dozer sustain water or mud damage? in reply to RussT, 01-23-2006 08:31:07  
Having worked in the Oil patch for years and have delt with lots of stuck dozers ya had better get it out and fast as water and dirt can seep into the engine trans and rearend and finals . So you need a bigger dozer or one with a winch and snatch block or and excavator or big wrecker to get it out . then drain flush and refill everything and clean the whole dozer dropping the belly pans pulling the floor plates and clean .

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old

01-23-2006 09:01:26




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 Re: Can bogged dozer sustain water or mud damage? in reply to RussT, 01-23-2006 08:31:07  
Yep it can be hurt by the water and mud. Water and mud can and will get in to bearings, rollers and the track pins. If you have a tree close enough to hook a chain or cable to you can pull it out that way with the tracks. BTDT with a couple of dozers I have had over the years. If you do hook up to a tree just be careful and take it slow.



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the tractor vet

01-23-2006 09:36:47




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 Re: Can bogged dozer sustain water or mud damage? in reply to old, 01-23-2006 09:01:26  
I hung a 750 Deere one time and was lucky enough to have a W6 F winch on it and 380 ft of line and one lone 8-10 inch wild cherry just close enough to get the line on it as the 750 was comming out the tree was comming down but i was only half way up to the top of the tracks the ground just gave way under me .Then not far from where i live there is this big old Oak tree that has a 1 1/2 cable tail chain around the bottom of it and at the end of the line somewhere is a brand new D 8 H that has only a couple hours on her that found a pocket of quick sand and when the operator gave up on tryen to pull him self out he was in to the deck plate the next morning when help arrived all they could see of it was the exhaust pipeand it was going fast , It's still at the end of the cable somewhere.

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old

01-23-2006 12:05:17




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 Re: Can bogged dozer sustain water or mud damage? in reply to the tractor vet, 01-23-2006 09:36:47  
A few years abck I had a TD-6 that I got stuck down to the top of the tracks. We hooked up 3 tractors and a road tractor to it and tried to pull it out and all we did was spin tires on all of them. I ended up putting a I beam from a mobile home frame under the tracks and chained it on and got it out that way. Took close to 10 years before we found the piece of mobile home frame and never saw the chains again.

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