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JD 2010 Crawler Highlift, water in OIl ??

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Punchie

02-14-2006 15:43:16




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Hi Forum

JD 2010 Crawler Highlift Diesel !!

First how Good Are they?

Would like to use it a about 20-50 hours a year around farm and maybe some work for friends.

This one has water in the oil ? What is the cause of this , any and
all opinions are welcome ?
Water in oil , can it be a easy as a head gasket ????? Or is it going to need sleeves? Any ideas on how to fix this are welcome, even if it is a questionable fix. If it sounds good and works , I guess the parts are very hard to find.

Horse Power ?


He has used it very little and says it was 3 years old when he got it the first owner did Backhoe work with it, it doesn't have the backhoe. Bet he has put 1000 hours on it the most maybe only 100.

What would be a fair price ? He is a 85 years old and needs to sell it and he is asking 2,000.

Thanks !! Teddy

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Punchie

02-14-2006 18:26:54




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 Re: JD 2010 Crawler Highlift, water in OIl ?? in reply to Punchie, 02-14-2006 15:43:16  
HI jdemaris

Yes you did and thanks !! I was just looking for any ideas about how to fit it. Do you think there a chance to get the seelves out and back in with a new seal without breaking any ?

To glue the seals? How hard is it to get into the enghine to do this ( can it be done incrawler or do I need to pull the enghine, what type of gaskets do I need to get? What type of glue would you use? What type of cleaning or pep work to make sure it has a good hold?

Thanks for your help!! Teddy

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jdemaris

02-15-2006 05:51:07




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 Re: JD 2010 Crawler Highlift, water in OIl ?? in reply to Punchie, 02-14-2006 18:26:54  
If you want to be sure where the problem is, just pull the oil pan off. Usually, you'll see stain and rust marks on the main-bearing caps where water/coolant has been dripping on them. What usually happens eventually, is the water gets into a main bearing, and you spin/seize a bearing, and the engine is trashed. To fix, you have to pull the head off. Then pull the pistons out, and then - carefully - pull the sleeve deck out. It is a unit, i.e. all four sleeves are joined by a steel plate on top - so you have to pull evenly and carefully. Sometimes, you have to push underneath on the sleeve bottoms at the same time. Once out, use a scraper, rotary wire-wheel, etc. to get all cleaned up. You will need, at the least, a head-gasket, sleeve-deck gasket and the four sleeve rubber seals. Myself, I would also plan on replacing the rod bearings and piston rings. But, being a diesel, you'll probably find that the pistons are worn in the top ring grooves. The pistons can be repaired for around $10 each, but at this point - it's up to you how far you want to go. But, at the VERY least, you should put a light cross-hatch on the cylinders (by honing), and install new rings and ring-shims if needed. In regard to using extra sealant on the sleeves in addition to the black rubber rings, I've used Permatex. I know other people that have used the red RTV silcone sealant and it's held up fine (RTV is an acronym for Room Temperature Vulcanizing). My problem with this sort of thing is - you pull apart a good running engine - yet once apart - you find all the parts pretty worn. Then what ? After all that work, do you want to put the old worn parts back in? I can't answer that for you, parts are very expensive.

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jdemaris

02-14-2006 17:31:58




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 Re: JD 2010 Crawler Highlift, water in OIl ?? in reply to Punchie, 02-14-2006 15:43:16  
Didn't I just answer the question about the water in the oil recently, or am I getting senile? Deere's early sleeved engines only had one sealing ring per sleeve, and that is the problem. That includes all the 1010s and 2010s and all the early next generation engines, e.g. the 350, 450, 1020 and 2020 ag. tractors, etc. Deere later came out with updated conversion sleeves to improve the 2nd generation engines that used three seals instead of one. One of the seals is activated by anti-freeze and expands to make a tight fit (the red seal). But, with the 1010 and 2010 series, Deere never offered any updates for the problem.
Some people glue the sleeves in, some just put new seals. I know of some I rebuilt 15-20 years ago and they're holding up okay. Chances are very slim that it's going to be a head-gasket problem. The 2010 is a 48 PTO horsepower machine and 39 horse at the drawbar. Most of the parts are still available from Deere and . . . as you describe it, $2000 sounds about right. It would easily bring that in parts, probably more.

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JD dozer mike

02-19-2006 15:31:03




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 Re: JD 2010 Crawler Highlift, water in OIl ?? in reply to jdemaris, 02-14-2006 17:31:58  
complete engine rebuild gasket/seal kit available aftermarket from this guy-1800 523 2318 ASK FOR WADE.I just got a kit from him.

Maybe also from LAVOY but i dont know.



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