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jim hynden

02-14-2006 23:41:48




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I would like to know if there is somewhere that tells me how to rate the undercarriage on a track machine. Everyone lists "60%", "20%", "95%", etc., but is this just their own personal opinion or is there some sort of standard? Thanks for all replies.




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TomA

02-20-2006 08:02:28




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 Re: rating undercarriage wear in reply to jim hynden, 02-14-2006 23:41:48  
Here is the link with the measurements:

http://www.scarlett.co.nz/TrackShop/WearLimits.html



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CH

02-15-2006 07:58:27




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 Re: rating undercarriage wear in reply to jim hynden, 02-14-2006 23:41:48  
Lavory is right "SALT" tracks are oil filled Cat now fills them with grease also. I have a wear chart on my web site,but i have said this before these are industry standards and for the Home Owner Hobbist they are very rigid I worry more about inside wear then rail height on these machines. A home owner putting 50-100 hours a year on could run a industry standard 100% worn track 4-8 years. My 2 cents. email me for my web site

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Lavoy

02-15-2006 07:21:47




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 Re: rating undercarriage wear in reply to jim hynden, 02-14-2006 23:41:48  
I was always under the impression that "SALT" stood for "Sealed and lubricated track", as opposed to just the standard sealed track with sealing washers in it.
Lavoy



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jdmaris

02-16-2006 05:28:03




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 Salt versus SALT in reply to Lavoy, 02-15-2006 07:21:47  
The SALT descripton as an acronym is interesting. I see it mentioned a lot in modern equipment. I last worked for a Deere dealer around 1989. We had two track presses and I sometimes got stuck doing pins and bushings when things were slow in the winter. It is awful and boring work. It was even worse when I got stuck doing one of the newer "sealed" tracks." At the time, I had heard about "oil filled" tracks but hadn't heard the SALT acronym. The salt undercarriage parts I was referring to is something I saw in a mid-1950s Allis Chalmers catalog. I didn't think the "Sealed And Lubed Track" acronym as been coined yet, at that time. But, maybe it was? The track rollers were all oil-filled as original equipment on the larger ACs. I DO know that a few companies were quite advanced in their track-chain designs. Cletrac had some pretty interesting pin and bushing arangements in their bigger machines.

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Billy NY

02-15-2006 07:52:14




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 Re: rating undercarriage wear in reply to Lavoy, 02-15-2006 07:21:47  
Literal meaning "salt" like ocean salt, and or table salt LOL !

I'm sure he knows about those too, lubricated pins and bushings, I think A-C had the claim of first offering these, but CAT improved on them greatly. I've only owned dry ones, but ran plenty of later ones with that type. I worked as an operator in NJ for several years and lived right on the beach, where a D-6D was parked part of the year, they used it to push up a sand berm every year to protect the beach or something, just looking at the tractor, I'd not have wanted to work on that one, especially like the bottom roller bolts, they ought to be ripe for breaking.

The soils in NJ were mostly good, but plenty of rock in Mid-Northern NJ, clay in central NJ like North Brunswick and the sandy material further south. Nothing like grading top soil in south jersey, dark black sandy easy to work with. Worked on a few rock jobs, that became blasting jobs, the ole D8-K with a ripper, there is no doubt about checking a machine for stress cracks, poor repairs and or anything along those lines, some of the operators were really hard on them. When your ripping rock, even at a snails pace you can feel the difference between working in loose soil, start hammering a crawler on rock and you will find the weak areas. All of this kind of equipment, it is wise to really check thoroughly, I know some of those era JD's did not take the abuse well, we had a few old 450's.

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jdemaris

02-15-2006 05:38:31




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 Re: rating undercarriage wear in reply to jim hynden, 02-14-2006 23:41:48  
If you are trying to check over a crawler's undercarriage, especially a dozer from a rocky or hardpan area, or from a logger, you'd better look at more than just wear. Most of the time, important areas of the undercarriage structure are broken, missing bolts, etc. Most times, when we had to go through the undercarriage of a crawler, there was much more time spent on fixing the broken and missing parts than that of replacing sprockets, rollers, etc. And, every specific machine has its own special weak areas. This holds especially true for certain versions of crawlers. For instance, Deere, Allis Chalmers, Cat, and probably many more, offered their crawlers in "flat ground" models, and "rough terrain" models (those are my names, I don't remember the specific terminology). So, some had rigid track-frame fasteners and tended to break, crack, strip bolts, etc., while others had transverse (or vertical with Cletrac) springs to allow the track frames to follow the ground - and they tended to hold up much better. Deere also tried using "floating" frames with no springs, like in the 350s, and they wore something terrible. I was mostly a Deere, Case, and Allis Chalmers mechanic, and take the Deere for example. The 350s in flat sandy areas like parts of Michigan and New Jersey held up very well. But, here in central New York, it is rare to ever find one that isn't broken and welded all over - including the side-frames, track frames, final drives, etc. Another thing to consider is if the crawler has ever been used in a salt-area. I just had the miserable opportunity to work on one, and I'll never do it again. It was a land-fill crawler, so I figured it had an easy job its entire life working on soft flat ground. In a way, that was true. But, the landfill ground was salty, and there's not a nut or bolt that will come off without breaking. After looking up undercarriage parts, I found a listing for "salt rated" undercarriage parts - that's something I'd never noticed before.

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Billy NY

02-15-2006 04:01:41




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 Re: rating undercarriage wear in reply to jim hynden, 02-14-2006 23:41:48  
The eyeball method, don't put much faith in it, the only thing you can ascertain visually is something like pin bosses hitting roller flanges, the marks are easy to spot. The rest is guess work, track component wear is measured in small increments, therfore, it must be measured to determine the actual condition.

Identify the crawler, by it's serial number, then get the specifications for it's track components when new, measure each component properly, record the measurement, then subtract the difference, between the 2, do the math to convert to a percentage, much more accurate than the eyeball, which really is only good to identify suspected worn components, measuring will confirm ones suspicions or prove it wrong.

I would not recommend taking someone's word for the percentage worn or percentage left on an undercarriage, based on speculation. Link below should be helpful.

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