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spm815

02-16-2006 19:58:06




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I finally have the time and money to do some much needed work around the farm. Clearing fence rows, putting in a new pond, etc. I was all set ot buy a Cat 955L, 1973 in very good condition. Now I have found a 953LGP that is a 1981 in about the same condition. Both have maintenance records. The 953 is about $10,000 more than the 955, but, performance wise, it is a better machine, and a little newer. Is the 953 overkill or is it worth the extra bucks if that is not a problem? I plan to keep the machine a few years, then probably sell it.

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Deas Plant.

02-21-2006 01:45:34




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 Re: Which Cat in reply to spm815, 02-16-2006 19:58:06  
Hi, SPM815. Seann and Bob have pretty much covered it re 955 Vs 953 except for a couple of points.

The 953 with its rear engine will back out of places that the 955 won"t even think about and, by comparison, the LGP version will go places that will almost bog a duck. Unless you have a lot of rock, I wouldn"t worry too much about bending track shoes on the LGP, at least until they are pretty well worn.

The 955 is a bigger, heavier, slower machine with much poorer view of the bucket and work area. It WILL outpush the 953 but at the end of a day"s work, the 953 will be ahead on points and you will be fresher due to having done it easier.

I have no personal experience of the 953 A series. I have done a swag of hours on a 953B and you do have to keep the radiator clean and an eye on the temperature during our Australian summer. Keeping the engine bay doors open DOES make a noticeable difference in this regard.

My 0.02.

Happy Catting.

You have a wondeful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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the professor

02-19-2006 09:48:12




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 Re: Which Cat in reply to spm815, 02-16-2006 19:58:06  
with 35+ years training techs and rebuilding hvy equip, would stick with good 955L. Will take all you can give it if maintained correctly. Hystats are very $$$$ to rebuilt vs powershifts. also would want to check 953 SN with dealer to make sure not a gray market machine because parts become a real nightmare to obtain. stay away from LGP as setup for real muddy work and track shoes bend in regular earth work. just my 2cts. hope it helps

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Billy NY

02-19-2006 06:52:21




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 Re: Which Cat in reply to spm815, 02-16-2006 19:58:06  
Have operated many 955's, later series, they seem to perform well, would be very handy around a farm, I don't know how your soils are, regarding digging ponds, maybe not the best choice for that work, might be hard on it, difficult to grade slopes, but then again if a 933 dug the foundation hole here at my house years ago, the 955 or 953 could push out some ponds, I'd rather use a dozer myself, matter of preference. I'd not be fooling around in soft conditions with these, not sure how that LGP model performs, but must be better than a standard gauge in soft conditions. Bob certainly has the background to advise on repair, maintenance, also the parts scenario, which is always interesting to learn about. I know slowly but surely, things dissipate in the parts availability, good to know when selecting a machine. Can only an operators opinion here. If I am not mistaken the 955's and 977's seemed to hold up well with regular maintenance, I know the later 953 was a popular machine, as far as crawler loaders go, excavators really took the show from crawler loaders, but specialty contractors like demo contractors still use these, and I recall the 953 being popular in NYC and these guys are hard on machinery. Most other work around a farm is well suited to a crawler loader, fence rows especially. Some kinds of work are really well suited for a crawler loader.

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seann

02-17-2006 06:58:56




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 Re: Which Cat in reply to spm815, 02-16-2006 19:58:06  
Having a 953 would be pretty sweet if you have the bucks. I used to work on construction sites back in the late 80's as an inspector and was always watching 953's and 963's push dirt around. I liked them alot and always wondered what it would be like to run one, but never really got the chance (other than pushing over a little tree once for about 5 minutes). Years later I bought an old IH tracked loader and have been using it a whole bunch to work my property with. Then a few months ago I was watching a guy running a 953 (for the first time in years) backfilling a septic system that had been completed. Although I'm pretty sure the guy running it had drank too much coffee that morning, it really was amazing just how fast, quiet and efficient it was compared to my old clunker. I had forgotten just how nice those machines were, and it was interesting to see it now through the eyes of some experience with my own old loader. The next time I climbed aboard my Drott and fired it up, I experienced "crawler envy" for the first time!

But all that aside, really my old machine works fine and has done a tremendous amount of work without complaint and within a reasonable amount of time. If I were using it to make a living where every second counts, then I probably wouldn't feel that way. But the purchase price and maintenance expense differential for a newer machine like that doesn't come close to making sense for a small timer/casual user in my view. I guess it depends on how you classify yourself and also how much work needs to be done within what timeframe. Of course if you bought the machine at the right price and nothing serious went wrong with it before you sold it, then it would be another story.

One other thing is that I believe either 1980 or 1981 was the first year for the 953(?). Given a choice I would probably try to stick to one a few years newer, from my experience it's never good to have the 1.0 version of just about anything. (except for Corvettes) Also FYI, I've heard that while LGP machines are great in the muck, their U/C's tend to wear faster than standard width shoes. Plus since the ground pressure is lower, traction can be an issue when it's dry out. I used to think I wanted LGP's because of the soft soils on my lot, but have since revised my view to (a) avoid soft areas if at all possible and (b) simply don't work when it's wet and sloppy out.

Good luck

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spm815

02-17-2006 08:37:39




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 Re: Which Cat in reply to seann, 02-17-2006 06:58:56  
thanks, that is just the kind of information I am looking for. I hope I get more. I have to make a decision fairly quickly.



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Bob/Ont

02-17-2006 19:02:20




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 Re: Which Cat in reply to spm815, 02-17-2006 08:37:39  
Like Sean says they are very nimble. If you stay with a 43 or 53 it should still have many years of work left in it. The 63 and 73 machines go through a lot of Hystat Trasmissions and any for sale likely need one. The 43 and 53 machines last much longer as the trans is almost as heavy and takes much less HP through it.
Later Bob



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