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SteveGr

02-28-2006 08:21:45




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I purchase a 2010 a couple of months ago with some problems. One was with the steering clutches and a bad final drive pinion all of which I was able to fix. But I had one final problem in that the diesel engine was hard to start and smoked alot when running. I reset the valves and checked the injectors and they were okay. I removed the pump and that also was okay. So I decided to overhaul it and that is when I found strange things. I was doing a complete out of frame and when I came to time the cam to the crank I found that when I lined the marks up the piston was not all the way to the top on number 1. So I checked my keys to make sure they were not sheared and they were not. I also noticed that the engine valves were loose on number 4 not one. Also when Iput the flywheel on the TC mark does line up when I put the pistons at tc but yet the front marks do not. What gives I am trying to time the pump. It does not make sense.
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U9 U9 CAT

03-01-2006 13:41:42




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 Re: JD 2010 engine in reply to SteveGr, 02-28-2006 08:21:45  
Don't you get trired of cranking that 2010 lining up that oil pump and flywheel an injector. And still not right dam I think I wore out two good prybars on that sob



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ben brown

03-01-2006 10:41:35




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 Re: JD 2010 engine in reply to SteveGr, 02-28-2006 08:21:45  
don"t forget to time the oil pump to the cam shaft.



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jdemaris

03-01-2006 06:33:46




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 To SteveGR - JD 2010 engine in reply to SteveGr, 02-28-2006 08:21:45  
There is no mystery with timing on 1010 and 2010 engines. In regard to the often referenced "discrepency" between the Deere an IT manuals in regard to injection pump timing - mechanically speaking, they are both correct - you just have to pay close attention to what you're working on. The Deere manual clearly warns "be sure each injector line is hooked to the proper injection pump outlet." The location of the #1 injection pump port was changed midstream, so it all depends on what pump is on the engine. With a 40+ year old machine, it's a "no brainer" to check which port squirts fuel when the pump timing lines show up - it is standard procedure for any old diesel with a rotary distributor-type injection pump. In regard to the timing line difficulty you're having. The lines on the crank and cam gear must be lined up, and the key ways are intact and cannot be changed - correct? If that's the case, there is one other possible variable. On the back of the crankshaft - if the dowel pin was left off, the flywheel can be put on incorrectly (I think). I've never tried it on a Deere - but I've seen it done many times on other equipment. If the flywheel is on correctly, #1 and #4 cylinders (the front one is #1) with be at TDC when the flywheel DC marks come up - it will do it on the compression stroke and the exhaust stroke. So, depending which phase of DC you are on, the valves for #1 might be loose, or might be tight. When the flywheel DC mark is visible, and #1 piston is on DC of the compression stroke, the injection pump timing lines are aligned, fuel comes out of #1 port, and said #1 port if hooked to a line that is hooked to #1 injector. Obviously, if you find that the #1 port is not where it is shown in the book - then the pump has been changed, no big deal, just hook it up accordingly. There is more to fine-tuning the fuel injection timing on a 1010 or 2010 and it depends on exactly which pump is on it.

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Roy Suomi

02-28-2006 18:38:32




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 Re: JD 2010 engine in reply to SteveGr, 02-28-2006 08:21:45  
Yikes ... I ran into this on a 1010 diesel..It smoked heavy gray , slow throttle response , hard starting...I took the engine apart many times looking for my screw up.. Found nothing. The timing between an IT manual and Deeres finest tech manual was different..I think there was a change in timing marks on the pumps.. I timed it to the IT manual [ 1010 wheel tractor ]. It was 90 degrees different.. I had to install the pump to the bolt washer marks on pump body as timing mark didn't show in the window with the oil pump shaft indexed as the IT manual showed..It ran beautifully..still running great after 900 plus hours..Owner says it never ran so good..

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Bob

02-28-2006 09:20:15




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 Re: JD 2010 engine in reply to SteveGr, 02-28-2006 08:21:45  
First, time the camshaft, using the timing gear marks.

Then, time the pump based on the flywheel marks.

(#1 IS at TDC when the flywheel mark is TDC, right?)

If you had pulled the pump off, without having the timing gear and crankshaft marks exposed, that is how you would have done it, right? You would not have seen the gear marks, so you would not be worried about them.

I can not say absolutely for sure that the marks are correct, but likely, they are. It is NOT UNCOMMON for #1 piston NOT to be at TDC when the marks on the timing gears are aligned, especially on 4-cylinder engines. I suspect they find a "neutral point", where no valves are opening or closing, and make the timing marks there. That way, it is easy to put the timing gear on with the marks lined up, without the camshaft trying to rotate forward or backward on it's own, because of a cam follower being on the "slope" of a cam.

I can't say that is absolutely the case with THIS engine, as I don't have one apart at the moment to confirm this, but like I said, I can tell you that it IS common for #1 NOT to be at TDC when the timing gear marks are aligned on lots of engines.

To get a pretty close idea, lacking further cam "specs", after aligning the timing gear marks, rotate the crankshaft to # 1 TDC. It will just have completed the compression stroke, and BOTH valves should be closed.

As you are rotating the crankshaft to that postion (#1 TDC), watch the valves on cylinder #4.

As #1 is coming up on TDC, the #4 exhaust valve will be finishing closing, and the #4 intake valve will be starting to open. Lacking further cam specs, this will pretty closely confirm whether or not the cam timing is correct.

If you are not sure, turn the crankshaft exactly two revolutions, and watch during the last 1/2 turn, as the #4 exhaust valve opens, closes, and the intake is opening.

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