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JD1010 drives forward in 1st only rev all s

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mborrasca

03-20-2006 14:29:04




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1010 crawler w/reverser,i rebuilt everything on this machine but the reverser.when i purchased the machine the owner says there were no problems with it.but gave me an accurate list of all of its other issiue"s.steering clutches and tracks have been all rebuilt.when the machine was delivered to my camp i couldn"t drive up the road in 2nd gear once i hit a grade and down shifted to 1st and went up no problem.if i"m pushing the machine will just stop in 1st.all gears work in reverse and will stall machine under load or spin tracks,but not in forward.2nd gear will work on flat ground unless i pull a steering lever or put the blade down then it stops and 3rd or 4th will not move at all.the reverser works nice with no noise forward and reverse.i changed the fluid in the reverser and filter,the filter was very dirty and had atf fluid in it.the jd dealer said to put heavy weight oil in it and see what happens.i did notice more power but didn"t last long.i also tried some lucas tranny treatment. i have put about 100hrs of pushing on the machine since rebuild but at a very slow pace.i have read through the manual but don"t what it could be and don"t want to pay through the ### to have some dealer look at it..does anyone have any idea"s on what it is,or who could go through the unit. thanks for your help.i"m located in western ny.

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Original Possum

03-22-2006 20:35:52




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 Re: JD1010 drives forward in 1st only rev all s in reply to mborrasca, 03-20-2006 14:29:04  
If it slips but hasn't burned up in 100 hours then you probably have little pressure on the clutch. Either the rotary valve is not turning fully, there is a blockage in the hi pressure line to the front clutch, or the front clutch is leaking by. Only one of those doesn't split the tractor. Check the travel on the rotary valve. Pull the floorboard and see that it does move from detent to detent. Adjust the cable if it doesn't. Pull the engine if it does.

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Original Possum

03-22-2006 06:55:12




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 Re: JD1010 drives forward in 1st only rev all s in reply to mborrasca, 03-20-2006 14:29:04  
You didn't mention if the engine keeps running, slipping the reverser, or if the engine hogs down and stalls. Which is it?



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mborrasca

03-22-2006 13:59:02




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 Re: JD1010 drives forward in 1st only rev all s in reply to Original Possum, 03-22-2006 06:55:12  
the engine keeps on running with no strain it just stops moving foward. unless you are in reverse then you can bog it down.



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jdemaris

03-23-2006 05:50:41




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 Re: JD1010 drives forward in 1st only rev all s in reply to mborrasca, 03-22-2006 13:59:02  
The reverser clutch packs work off of pressure. That maximum pressure is determined by one valve for both forward and reverse. At least 120 PSI is needed to engage the clutches properly - and can be set as high as 150 PSI. That is why, the first thing to do is install a gauge, and see if the pressure stays the same when you shift from forward to reverse. If reverse has the proper pressure, and forward does not - it is likely there is an internal leak. Sometimes, if it is a small leak, you can get around it by increasing the flow of oil by opening the rate-of-shift jet - which is easily done with a screwdriver. Pressure oil comes from the pump, and has to pass through two operator controlled valves - one is a spool valve operated by the clutch pedal, and another is a rotary valve operated by the forward-reverse lever, and into a 3 78" stroke spring-loaded accumulator that softens shifts, and through an adjustable orifice. There is a spring-loaded,shim adjusted relief valve that determines the maximum clutch operating pressure. The route to the clutch packs differs from forward or reverse. Subsequently, something as simple as a stretched clutch-pedal return sping can cause forward to slip and reverse not to slip. Also, inside the control valve assembly, is a cast-iron shift fork that often gets worn. I am oversimplifying the operation here. Nine out of ten times, the problem will be internal, not external. The entire hydraulic control valve assembly can be removed without taking out the reverser - but there is usually little to be gain from it. The best course of action is - #1 check clutch pressure while in forward and reverse with engine at half throttle. #2 Check for full travel of the clutch-pedal spool valve - it can lose travel from dirt and/or a stretched spring. If the rotary valve is not engaging all the way (the forward-reverse shifter), the machine will not slip - it will either allow full pressure, or no pressure. If, while in forward, the machine feels like it's trying to move, i.e. slipping, the clutches will eventually burn up and melt. Then the machine will get stuck in forward, and have no neutral, and stall in reverse. If you find out that there is adequate clutch pressure in forward and reverse - it is possible that the dry engine clutch is slipping, or the steering clutches, or both. Seems unlikely though that they'd only slip in forward.

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jdemaris

03-20-2006 17:59:34




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 Re: JD1010 drives forward in 1st only rev all s in reply to mborrasca, 03-20-2006 14:29:04  
Somebody is jerking your chain about trying differnt oil. Either is has enough pressure, or it does not. Stick a gauge in it. It needs minimum of 120 PSI to operate the clutches correctly, 150 PSI is better. If reverse is not slipping, but forward is - you've probably got internal problems that no oil in the world will fix. Those clutch packs, if run on low pressure, don't slip very long before they burn out. When sitting on the machine, down by your left foot - with the floorboard off - there are two 1/8" pipe plugs screwed into the control-valve asssembly. One is a low-pressure lube port - should be around 20 PSI, the other is clutch operating pressure - 120-150 PSI. A grease-gun hose hooked to a gauge works fine for the test.
Sometimes the low-pressure port has a sending unit screwed into it instead of a pipe plug - for an idiot light on the dashboard.

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