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Metal Deck Trailer and Steel Tracks

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Uncle

04-06-2006 20:54:31




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I went for a little ride today. I was loading my JD450 onto a Steel deck trailer and you know what happened. I climbed up good on the dove tail and when it broke over I slid back. The right slid but the left caught turning me about 60 degrees and off the back with the left track still on the trailer.
Everything is fine, nothing broke and no injury, my wife was more shaken than I was.
What are y'all using to get traction on steel decks?
Brian

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Deas Plant.

04-07-2006 23:36:24




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 Re: Metal Deck Trailer and Steel Tracks in reply to Uncle, 04-06-2006 20:54:31  
Hi, Folks. An interesting mix of answers and ideas.
I have been loading and unloading machines on and off floats and in and out of steel decked tipper bodies for over forty years. That includes some limited time actually driving semi-trailer floats hauling machines. (I got outa there fairly quick. Too many ID-TEN-T motorists on the roads.) (ID-10-T.)

Except for the tippers and side loading floats, all of my loading and unloading has been over beavertails and by far the great majority of it has been steel-tracked machines. The ONLY times I have ever backed a machine up ramps have been to load or unload drawn rollers or similar drawn implements.

I have yet to have a machine slide or roll so I don't yet know what that feels like. Am I missing something worthwhile? Like everybody should try it at least once?

For mine, it is BS to make any hard and fast rules such as never driving a tracked machine up steel ramps face first or never loading them over a beavertail. You need to also consider which is the best way to have the machine on the trailer for load distribution.

With dozers and track loaders, you may need to have the blade or bucket up on the gooseneck to get your weight right. With dozers, where the blade is overwidth, it is best to have the blade up on the gooseneck, both so that it is higher than at least most cars and because it 'follows' within the track of the prime mover and trailer better that way.

For crawler tracks on steel decks and ramps there ought to be round steel bars of about 5/8 to 3/4 inch diameter welded at about 12 inch spacings on both ramps and decks. One good rule is to never weld one of these bars right at the peak of a beavertail. It is better to space them 3 to 6 inches either side of the peak for better grip and also to smooth out the transition over the peak.

I have seen rubber matting and/or old tyres bring some people undone when used on flat steel decks in wet conditions, although I do agree that they work just fine when everything is dry.

I have even loaded and unloaded a couple of track-mounted cranes with the totally smooth track crane track plates and never had a problem. Old tyres did the trick there.

Self-propelled sheepsfoot compactors are far more dangerous to load and unload than crawlers, dozers or loaders as they have all their tractive potential concentrated in the tiny areas of the few pads on each roll that are actually in contact with the deck at any one time.

The best defences against losing a machine while loading or unloading are and always have been experience, a steady hand and mind and good ole-fashioned common sense.

And make sure your steel deck is as close to level as you can get it in the circumstances.

Happy loading and unloading.

You all have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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NC Wayne

04-07-2006 21:00:49




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 Re: Metal Deck Trailer and Steel Tracks in reply to Uncle, 04-06-2006 20:54:31  
Idon't load many myself, I preffer to work on them and then let the customer have that liability, but I've seen alot of the loaded over the years. One thing I didn't see anybody actually mention was to make sure the trailer is setting level when you load. I saw the results of a customer trying to load a IR track drill (like they use in quarries)when his trailer was a little tilted. Being top heavy already and then having short narrow tracks it didn't take but a little and the machine was lying on the side. He got lucky and didn't get hurt anywhere but in the wallet to get the boom straightened, the sheet metal straightened, etc. As for getting the added traction I've seen most of the ideas listed used and all seemed to work for the parties involved, it's mainly just a matter of what works for you. Good luck loading and be safe.

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Gary OC-46

04-07-2006 11:43:02




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 Re: Metal Deck Trailer and Steel Tracks in reply to Uncle, 04-06-2006 20:54:31  
I have a small crawler-loader (OC-46) and I have a 10,000 gvw beaver tail trailer. We have alocal quarry that uses a lot of rubber belting.They will give away the worn stuff. I have two pieces 24" wide and 24 feet long. I roll that out on the trailer and down the steel ladder like ramps. I always back on, and the machine has no tendency to spin or slip. Works for me!



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TomA

04-07-2006 09:11:41




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 Re: Metal Deck Trailer and Steel Tracks in reply to Uncle, 04-06-2006 20:54:31  
Dont even think of going up a beaver tail with a crawler. When it breaks over you are only supported at only 2 points. You can easily slide sideways and drop one track over the edge. The Cat will be on its side and you underneath before you know it. A tilt trailer that is not too steep is the only safe way to go. Bolt on quarry belts for traction. All trailers should have a heavy lip on the edges to keep Cat from sliding off. Been there and lucky to be alive.

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Billy NY

04-07-2006 06:43:31




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 Re: Metal Deck Trailer and Steel Tracks in reply to Uncle, 04-06-2006 20:54:31  
I know preferences vary with these tag trailers as we call them, tandem axle, deck over the wheels with the beaver tail and ramps.

When I first started out working as an operator for some smaller excavation companies, locally, I recall how much I disliked loading a rubber tired backhoe on them. Small crawlers were usually much better to load.

Frosty deck, be it wood or steel, well that is usually extremely slick and nothing to fool with, if it could not be scraped off and the sun allowed to dry it up, sand, sawdust anything to get some grit on there will work, but you cannot over-do it and have it flying off going down the road. I know one of my former employees lost and totalled a 550 JD crawler, heard the story, might have been a lack of chains and frosty deck, on a turn in the road.

With a crawler, when breaking over the center and the front drops down, you can't sit there and wallow, you need to keep going, I'm thinking this is what happened above, like goin through the mud, if you stop or slow down you'll get stuck, it's kind of a weird feeling when on an incline and the nose finally drops down, but at that point, pivoting is really easy, and is why I always believed that you must stay in forward motion and get more weight on the deck. If the tracks are slipping going up, you need to take care of that though. Each to their own on these matters, but a crawler is usually no problem.

I lost a 655 Ford on the way up once, and ended up sideways on the ramp, had to work my way off, start over, but needless to say, it was an awful feeling as it happened. These backhoes are heavy on the back end, and boy does that front get light, it happened so fast, I never was to sure as what mistake I made, had loaded it many times before, but each time you are within the edges of the balancing act, it don't take much with some of these, this 655 and the old 580 case models, were always a bit intimidating to load on a tag trailer. The 416 cat was easier. I can recall leaving the hoe unlocked and working my way up over center, using the hoe to stabilize the back end, then folding it up when safely over center. Not for the lighthearted, and I never enjoyed the practice. I'd much rather make equipment moves with a dedicated lowboy tractor trailer set up.

Have to wonder if things have changed with trailers and the machinery since then. I used to get sent with a tag trailer, dozer or hoe on, behind a tandem or triaxle with a full load of gravel, or stone on, was nice to have air brakes on the tag trailer.

I'm not sure what the minimum requirement is called for but acknowlege what was posted, there is no substitute.

I used to try and pull from either when binding a machine down, front one direction back the other, really helped keep things tight, in the middle, I would go straight across. You need plenty of tie down loops or places to set your hooks, I'm sure all trailers have them every so many inches now, it was always a pain when one was too far away, although like I said above I would use offset ones to pull in either direction, especially with a rubber tired machine, the bouncing action always loosened things up, so it's good to be able to see your tie downs in the mirror and find a safe place to pull over and re-tighten. Some machines like the big scrapers you could set the bowl down and eliminate the bounce, but no matter what, the load has to be kept secured and kept from getting in motion, that's when things go wrong quickly. It's best left to the individual as to how they prefer to do it, but a very important part of safely transporting heavy equipment.

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Case450

04-07-2006 05:37:59




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 Re: Metal Deck Trailer and Steel Tracks in reply to Uncle, 04-06-2006 20:54:31  
My trailer has a wood deck and beavertail...the ramps are steel with the ramp crossmembers about six inches apart so that helps with traction. It does no good though if that wood is wet in any way. I have to agree backing on equipment is the best way...that way if the drive-on starts to go to pot, you just throw 'er in forward and run back down the ramp and light a smoke! lol!



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CH

04-07-2006 03:57:15




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 Re: Metal Deck Trailer and Steel Tracks in reply to Uncle, 04-06-2006 20:54:31  
I see it all the time People loading equipment that don't have a clue. I load on steel all the time and i tie down on steel without problems all the time. First off i bet you drove it on!! You should ALWAYS back Equipment on ANY trailer.I know most backhoe you can't but you can push a hoe on. Once you start up NEVER try to steer or hit the brakes when going up the rampswait until your level.Make sure you are lined up and don't hesitate . When you tie down you do all four corner at an angle then i always safty chain accross and to the front Here in NY a backhoe should have 8 chains 2 on the hoe 2 on the loader and 4 on the tractor IT's the LAW.If you started backing crawlers on you will see the difference also when unloading it will even feel safer.I carry two heavey rubber mats in case its a loader with smooth worn pads. Gee i see more near misses at Auctions&tractor shows i realy am amazed there are not more accidents!

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spud

04-07-2006 00:50:43




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 Re: Metal Deck Trailer and Steel Tracks in reply to Uncle, 04-06-2006 20:54:31  
I welded a couple of two foot wide strips of heavy duty expanded metal from front to back of my trailer it's still metal but rough enough for a crawler to get traction and helps in the chain down process.



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2x4

04-06-2006 22:25:29




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 Re: Metal Deck Trailer and Steel Tracks in reply to Uncle, 04-06-2006 20:54:31  
You like rides? Try it some frosty morn. It'll happen so quick you'll wonder if you ever started up on at all. Old tire chains from a big truck welded to the deck help.



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old

04-06-2006 21:09:24




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 Re: Metal Deck Trailer and Steel Tracks in reply to Uncle, 04-06-2006 20:54:31  
Yep metal to metal doesn't work well and also doesn't tie down well either. You might try a couple boards and or rubber mats, but if you don't bolt them down in some way that may not work either. BTDT sort of thing and don't enjoy doing it



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