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Case450

04-17-2006 16:48:48




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I hired a guy with a D6 dozer to push open a new road for me. What ended up was I got a ruffed in road (pretty good actually)with the first half being a nice rock/sand combination that has already packed nicely since the fall. The other half is a thick layer of sand over the ground. I drove on the sandy section today and its very soft. Holding this wet spring weather in there. I'm thinking I'll have to put down a good layer of rock on top of that sandy section and keep driving over it to get it to work into the sand and pack. The sandy layer is about a good foot thick so removing it and installing some nice rocky pitrun is out of the question so how can I work with what I have to get the best road out of it?

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Case450

04-19-2006 14:06:10




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 Re: The road in reply to Case450, 04-17-2006 16:48:48  
I'm not going to bother with removing all that junk. It will probably stay a nice potfilled driveway for ever but I will put up with that than remove the material. It's a huge job. I think I'm going to put down a bed of 4" rock and than a layer of "B" gravel on top of that and let that settle for a bit. Once thats down I'll put some crush on there this fall. See how that works out.



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seann

04-20-2006 06:28:16




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 Re: The road in reply to Case450, 04-19-2006 14:06:10  
So it's all just clean sand in the fill area? I don't have my book "Moving the Earth" nearby right now, but I seem to recall reading something in it about roadbuilders occasionally mixing dry cement into soft (sandy?) road materias to get it to stiffen up. I really don't remember all the details offhand, but you might want to look into that option (especially if you're adding stone/aggregate as well).

Also, sand is known for its ability to drain off water and for its load bearing capacity, plus obviously it's not organic like topsoil and won't decay and settle over time. It's usually viewed as a desirable fill material for backfilling pipes or as a sugbgrade under slabs and footings. The only caveat is that it has to be contained, like inside of a footing, or under a slab. Otherwise it can shift on you and/or be easily washed away from rain. Is there anyway to get topsoil or claylike materials to shore up the sides of the road? If you did that you could contain the sand and keep it from shifting and eroding away. Then, if you installed a decent amount of drain tile (perforated drain pipe) wrapped in filter cloth under the road so that any water that percolates down into the sand will be drained off, then I would think that would make it stable. And if you sealed the top of it with clay and then put stone on top of that, then I would think that would hold up ok. Of course if the guy who put the road in didn't remove the topsoil and organic material under all the sand, that material will decay and settle over time; which will cause the rest of the road to settle in a similar fashion.

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JDknut

04-19-2006 03:43:46




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 Re: The road in reply to Case450, 04-17-2006 16:48:48  
Ray's got it right on, Case. I'm qualified to speak on this topic since I am a soils engineer.



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Roy Suomi

04-17-2006 18:09:53




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 Re: The road in reply to Case450, 04-17-2006 16:48:48  
The right way to do it is to remove the soft crap and stone the heck out of it..A few years ago in the gas fields here a common practice was to remove soft top , put down a layer of roadway fabric and stone on top of that...It worked....



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