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Hydraulic cylinder - hard time opening

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john_bud

04-20-2006 21:05:39




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Hi,

I am repacking cylinders on a 723 ford BH. One is resisting all efforts at dissasembly. I know the packing is toast as it will drop the stabilizer leg down in about an hour. Will there be any damage If I apply the smoke wrench to loosen it up? I really can't afford to go from bad to worse!

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jb




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ajk

04-22-2006 17:17:24




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 Re: Hydraulic cylinder - hard time opening in reply to john_bud, 04-20-2006 21:05:39  
Most people have trouble undoing tight gland nuts because the cylinder is not held securely,I have resealed hundereds of cylinders and have always found the most secure place to unscrew the gland nuts is leave the cylinder in place,slacken the pipes to relieve any pressure and a good fitting wrench will undo any gland nut,if you need to raise the rod end to get the wrench in place do so block the cylinder securely,another good place on a backhoe is the digging bucket,with the bucket on the machine remove the tilt pin and tie the link up out of the way,put the cylinder in there keeping it low,block the other up near the nut and you will find that when the cylinder is held solid the nuts will undo,the type of nut in your photo is ok to heat,someone may have loctite on the threads.
Good luck
AJ

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john_bud

04-23-2006 08:04:51




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 Re: Hydraulic cylinder - hard time opening in reply to ajk, 04-22-2006 17:17:24  
AJ,

Thanks, I think that may have been part of the problem. Also, I think it had some locktite, was rusted, full of dirt and painted over and down the threads!

The "trick" was getting a buddy over and while I did a military press with the cheater bar, he tapped the gland nut with a brass drift after it was heated. Finally got it all apart.

It has been all put back together wiith new packings and seal.

Thanks!

jb

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john_bud

04-21-2006 16:31:39




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 Re: Hydraulic cylinder - hard time opening in reply to john_bud, 04-20-2006 21:05:39  
Bob, Wayne,

I guess in my ignorance I havn't explained the problem very well. First the cylinder has a screw in gland on the top and the is a second gland nut that screws into that. The screw in gland and gland nut are both mocking my attempts at disassembly. The rod is quite easily mobil, but it won't go anywhere until I get that stinking gland off the top! My workbench with the vice is bolted to the wall, er should I say used to be bolted to the wall. I used a long cheater and basically yanked on it real good and that ripped the bench off of the wall, but did nothing for the gland.

Here is a picture of a cylinder that came apart nice. The stubborn one is just like it, only together.

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jb

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Bob Martin

04-21-2006 06:32:41




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 Re: Hydraulic cylinder - hard time opening in reply to john_bud, 04-20-2006 21:05:39  
NC Wayne is right - heating the tube would be a bad idea. If the end stop is a snap ring you may check to see if the ring groove is flared any. If so you can remove that flaring with a small file, being careful to not score the inner cylinder surface.



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NC Wayne

04-20-2006 23:33:38




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 Re: Hydraulic cylinder - hard time opening in reply to john_bud, 04-20-2006 21:05:39  
The only tiemheating would really help is if the head was screwed on and you were trying to loosen it. Putting heat on the barrel itself won't actually do anything to help but it could warp it so that's not aa good thing to do. I know someone is gonna say how unsafe what I'm gonna suggest is but it's only unsafe if you don't use your head and do something stupid like standing in front of the rod, aiming it at your house, etc etc etc. Try chaining the cylinder down with the rod facing in a safe direction (ie- a wide open field) and applying air pressure to the backside of the piston to force the rod out. if you put pressure to the top side first and run the rod in a little ways and then shoot the air to the backside it'll often bring the piston forward with enough momentum to at least loosen everything if not taking it all the way out (hense pointing it in a safe direction). In extreem cases I have also seen and heard of it beingdone using the machines hydraulics. In on instance I know of the rod was bent and everything was stuck tight. When it finally build up enough pressure to move it, and came out, it sailed nearly 100 yards....Good luck and whatever you do use your head and be safe.

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