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Cummins 8.3 diesel Rebuild Help

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Eddie Walker

05-08-2006 13:59:17




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Hi,

I have a 1989 Case 1550 dozer with a Cummins 8.3 turbo engine. I have massive blowby and the number six cylinder is dead.

I'm taking off the head, but really don't know what I'm doing. Right now I'm stuck on how to get out the injector nozzle. It's a Bosche type fuel injector system if that helps.

How do they come out? Are they just pressed in from the bracket that I've already removed? Is there a trick to getting them free?

Thank You,
Eddie

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Eddie Walker

05-10-2006 11:02:07




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 Re: Cummins 8.3 diesel Rebuild Help in reply to Eddie Walker, 05-08-2006 13:59:17  
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Here's the slide hammer I made. Workded great on five of them, but one came apart at the threades. The tip of the nozzle is still in the head.

Any thoughts on how to get it out??

Thanks,
Eddie



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Eddie Walker

05-10-2006 11:16:14




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 Re: Cummins 8.3 diesel Rebuild Help in reply to Eddie Walker, 05-10-2006 11:02:07  
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Here's what came out on the bad nozzle.

Eddie



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Eddie Walker

05-10-2006 11:26:37




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 Re: Cummins 8.3 diesel Rebuild Help in reply to Eddie Walker, 05-10-2006 11:16:14  
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let me try the picture again



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Eddie Walker

05-10-2006 11:35:04




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 Re: Cummins 8.3 diesel Rebuild Help in reply to Eddie Walker, 05-10-2006 11:26:37  
Now that the head is off, I can see what the problem is.

Number six cylinder was dead. I expected to see a hole in the piston or the head gasket had failed. Nope. Both looked fine.

The taper is huge!!

Number five is also escessive and the other cylinders are probably normal, but there is taper to them as well.

The real cause of my problems is the compression ring broke. The slot fot it in the side of the piston is over double what it should be.

It must have been bad for a very long time!!

Eddie

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Eddie Walker

05-10-2006 11:40:09




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 Re: Cummins 8.3 diesel Rebuild Help in reply to Eddie Walker, 05-10-2006 11:35:04  
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430WLPG

05-10-2006 18:56:56




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 Re: Cummins 8.3 diesel Rebuild Help in reply to Eddie Walker, 05-10-2006 11:40:09  
This is exactly the ring problems I was talking about, I've seen that many times some happened rather quickly(2500hrs)up to 4500hrs,some still inwarranty and some years down the road.And with the new style parts I've seen them run 12,000hrs.So contrary to what others might say they are a good engines.



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J Schwiebert

05-09-2006 15:55:53




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 Re: Cummins 8.3 diesel Rebuild Help in reply to Eddie Walker, 05-08-2006 13:59:17  
I have seen the inside of two of those engines in the last 2 years with a dead cylinder each. The cause in each case was the fuel did not have enough lubrication value to it so the nozzle stuck the nozzle tip and washed the cylinder.



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Eddie Walker

05-10-2006 05:35:13




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 Re: Cummins 8.3 diesel Rebuild Help in reply to J Schwiebert, 05-09-2006 15:55:53  
The Pistons look pretty good and don't seem to be the problem. The dead cylinder has massive taper to it compared to the others. It could be as much has half the sleeve is worn away!!

The injectors came out easy enough with a home made slide hammer except for one. It seperated and left part of itself in the head.

I'll take pictures, but can that be tapped with a hammer from the inside to get it out?

I've lost pieces to it also, so I have a problem there as well. Can the injectors be rebuilt, or is it better to replaced them?

Eddie

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430WLPG

05-10-2006 18:42:21




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 Re: Cummins 8.3 diesel Rebuild Help in reply to Eddie Walker, 05-10-2006 05:35:13  
You will have to try to drive the tip out from the inside out, I've done it before. On those injectors your are better off to get reman at our store seems like they are around $65- $75 ea. and besides you don't want to take a chance on a bad spray pattern and washing down a cylinder wall.And if you can afford it replace all the pistons and sleeves because as of right now all you have to do now is to buy the parts you already have the labor in it now. I know it sounds like I'm send your money ,but you'll be glad you did. also you should have the valves & guides addressed. Those valves if you are lucky can be ground once and then replaced. The valve ression in the head is critical to keeping the compression equal. Another thing is the wrist pin bushings check them for slack and if they are loose you can exchange those for about $65-$75 ea. And when you get ready in install the head I let you in on a secret to keep it from leaking oil outside on the left and coolant on the right.

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Eddie Walker

05-10-2006 20:25:13




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 Re: Cummins 8.3 diesel Rebuild Help in reply to 430WLPG, 05-10-2006 18:42:21  
430WLPG,

Thank you for your help.

I agree that replacing all the cylinders is a good idea and plan to do so. My goal tomorrow is to find a place to rent an sleeve puller.

Are the pistons reusable, or is this a bad idea?

Thanks for the tip on the cylinder head. I've been debating have the valved done, but realize it's the smart thing to do. Just another thing to add to the list.

I'm looking forward to here your tip on installing the head.

Thank you,
Eddie

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430WLPG

05-11-2006 17:05:40




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 Re: Cummins 8.3 diesel Rebuild Help in reply to Eddie Walker, 05-10-2006 20:25:13  
Those pistons are reusable BUT they are to old style and they will one by one CONTINUE TO FAIL.The new ones are sold as overhaul set that comes with everything EXPECT the head gasket(order seperately) I would go with OEM, you can buy them from Case-IH also, might be cheaper than Case, don't hurt to check. With napa or other aftermarket you might end up with some old style leftovers!I guess if you were going to sell it you could reuse as much as possible, BUT if you are going to run it FIX IT. I am a certified Case-IH tech, if you were wondering

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MN Scott

05-10-2006 20:39:38




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 Re: Cummins 8.3 diesel Rebuild Help in reply to Eddie Walker, 05-10-2006 20:25:13  
Sleeve, piston and rings come as a matched set, most likelly cheaper than just buying 6 sleeves and ring set.



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Eddie Walker

05-11-2006 06:24:27




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 Re: Cummins 8.3 diesel Rebuild Help in reply to MN Scott, 05-10-2006 20:39:38  
MN Scott,

Thanks, that would be better anyway. Put all new in there and be done with it.

Is there an aftermarket source for Cummins engine parts? Napa or something like that?

Eddie



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MN Scott

05-08-2006 20:36:24




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 Re: Cummins 8.3 diesel Rebuild Help in reply to Eddie Walker, 05-08-2006 13:59:17  
You should have given that engine a good pressure washing before you removed the injector lines and valve covers. If you plan on reusing those injectors cap them off and be very carefull about dirt contamination. If you have no experence a diesel engine like that is not the best learning tool. Sounds like it needs a complete overhaul. If you do not get things right it will not last and will cost you more in the future. I would respectfully suggest you consider removing the engine and have a shop do the work or find a used or reman engine to replace it.

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Bighead

05-08-2006 19:22:05




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 Re: Cummins 8.3 diesel Rebuild Help in reply to Eddie Walker, 05-08-2006 13:59:17  
That looks like a rusted mess. I've pulled lots of those injectors, but mostly in trucks- I don't remember seeing one of those engines that rusted. I can usually get the nozzles out with a heel bar, but as rusty as that looks, I think you're going to have to use a slide hammer. I've used nuts off old injector lines, and I've also used metric nuts (they're kindof an odd size and thread pitch- don't remember exactly what).

There's a plastic sleeve that goes around the nozzle- you'll want to replace those. You have to grease up the nozzle to get the sleeve over it, then antisieze the whole nozzle and sleeve so you don't have this problem next time.

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430WLPG

05-08-2006 17:45:18




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 Re: Cummins 8.3 diesel Rebuild Help in reply to Eddie Walker, 05-08-2006 13:59:17  
There's a special tool for a slide hammer ,they just pull out,you can make a puller out of a old injector line nut which you probably don't have. if you can fit a wrench on where the clamp fits and see if you can twist it back and forth a little and maybe you could use a prybar under the edge of the wrench but becareful that intake plate is made of alum. and will crack easily. Those engines had some piston &* ring problems for awhile,But they have had that fixed for a long time now. you should to replace all of them now if you can to get the newer style pistons. I guess you found the head bolts down in the hole with the injectors? I can walk you through that entire engine .so if I can help let me know. Mike

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Eddie Walker

05-08-2006 21:55:37




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 Re: Cummins 8.3 diesel Rebuild Help in reply to 430WLPG, 05-08-2006 17:45:18  
Thanks the the help.

I've started cutting up some scrap steel to make a slide hammmer. I'll put some penetraiting oil in there while I'm welding up the hammer.

I'll post pics as I go and see what happens.

Eddie



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