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D7 3T Dozer, Pony Timing

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Art Befort

06-27-2006 07:29:55




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Cat Dozer “D7 3T” pony timing? I had the crank out for repair and need help on valve train and magneto timing. Does anyone know the step by step procedure. I see the “C” marks on the crank and cam gear and also the “M” marked on the crank gear. Are there other marks, ie. flywheel or housings? Which is number one cylinder? Thank you for you help in advance. Art




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pahrumper

08-30-2006 19:07:37




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 Re: D7 3T Dozer, Pony Timing in reply to Art Befort, 06-27-2006 07:29:55  
You time the pony engine in a strange way. the crank and cam timing is on the front of the engine and the mag timing is seen by removing the screw in plug on the gov case and push the mag gear into the case until you see the mark on the back side of the mag gear and align it that way. some deal, you have all of the size in the world and they make it like a watch. Try, just try to get the cotter pins in the rod bolts on the "drivers side" of the engine. you will be talking to the Cat god before that is over. I just replaced the pistons, rings, and liners on my D7 3T. And lots of things on the pony engine too.

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Billy NY

06-29-2006 20:33:10




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 Re: D7 3T Dozer, Pony Timing in reply to Art Befort, 06-27-2006 07:29:55  
I've been through this before, but not with the starting engine apart, once you have the engine aligned internally, the Caterpilar Operation and Maintenance Instructions ( form 10481-6 ) for the D-7 7M,& 3T diesel tractors but both fail to ID #1 cylinder which is closest to the main engines radiator.

If you pull the starting engine flywheel cover off and reveal the pony flywheel, there is a mark on the flywheel, could say mag or M with a line under it or just be a horizontal line like mine. There is also a mark behind the flywheel cover on the housing, that should align with the flywheel mark when #1 is supposed to fire. You can put a cork in the spark plug hole and it should pop as you are doing this step, and be 25 degrees ahead of top dead center which is the correct firing point.

Now once you figure that out, the next pain in the arse is to get that mag mounted and set to fire a spark in the right order 1-2. If you spin the mag by hand you will notice that it's spring loaded, with weights and the tension increases before it releases and fires a spark, then releases to repeat the same thing for the next cylinder. I had to spin mine by hand, feel the jolt and set it so it would fire the spark, then align the coupler slot with the engine as you mount it, so that this sequence is aligned for #1 to hit 25 deg ahead of top dead center at the same time that mag wants to fire a spark. It seemed that sometimes the slot/coupler would be off and you would have to turn the magneto to mount it and that would move the piston beyond the spot you want it when the mag wants to fire a spark, so I recall.

This thing stumped me for days, until I hand set that magneto just advancing to spark, also had #1 piston set to advance to 25 degrees ahead of top dead center which occurs when the flywheel mark aligns with the the mark in the housing. The last thing was the magneto coupler alignment allowing the mag to be mounted and be advancing to spark, when that reaches the correct point.

Finally it fired in order and I felt as if I conquered a formidable opponent ! The smoke was unreal, was burnin some oil, shut er down, my other one I can use a handcrank to start the pony and it runs nice.

Funny how the book does not tell you which piston is #1, however when the timing marks as mentioned above, align, only #1 should be pushing air/popping a cork out, probably the only way to identify which on is #1, which is on the left as you look at the motor standing on the track.

My newer Wico was rebuilt and I think it needed to be timed itself, but I could never get it to time right to the motor, as explained above. I went and found an Eisemann in a box of pony parts given to me, and it was hot, so I mounted that one, did the above and it fired off. The mag must be in time by itself, still have that Wico and will figure out what the deal is someday.

This particular manual shows an Eisemann with timing marks to align, one the coupling and one on the housing, ( back end that mounts to the starting engine ). The rotor postion appears to be at the 2:00 o'clock position and the points should be just beginning to open, (all according to the manual, page 71-72) You can also check your point contacts, should be .020 inch gap when the cam is at it's highest elevation.

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Gene-WI

06-28-2006 12:32:45




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 Re: D7 3T Dozer, Pony Timing in reply to Art Befort, 06-27-2006 07:29:55  
If you take that plate on the flywheel housing off, it's held on with 4 bolts, you'll see the edge of the flywheel. there will be a line marked mag; on the surface of the plate you took off there will be another line, line those two marks up. The book says 25 degrees before top dead center. Gene



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Gene-WI

06-28-2006 07:01:26




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 Re: D7 3T Dozer, Pony Timing in reply to Art Befort, 06-27-2006 07:29:55  
Accordingly to the book align the "c" on the camshaft with the "c" on the crankshaft, then when you put the timing gear housing on you align the "m" on the crankshaft with the "m" on the magneto drive gear. # 1 cylinder is located at the timing gear end. When you time the mag, bring # 1 up on compression stroke,continue turning crank untill the M or Mag mark on the flywheel is even with the mark on the housing, the crank will now be 25 degrees ahead of top dead center which is the correct firing point. Hope this helps, Gene

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Art Befort

06-28-2006 07:57:02




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 Re: D7 3T Dozer, Pony Timing in reply to Gene-WI, 06-28-2006 07:01:26  
Gene, thank you for your detailed reply. I live in Dallas however the dozer is in Kansas and it will be two weeks before I return to work on it. I understand your instructions except for the marks on the flywheel and housing. The marks, “WHERE” and “HOW are they identified; i.e. on housing is it on the inside or outside, a scribed line, an "X" or an “M”? On the flywheel where is the “M”? Also do I understand you correct that the mag firing #1 cylinder occurs 25 deg. “before” TDC (top dead center). Do you have a manual for the D7 3T? Thank you so much for assisting me.

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