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Why are bottom rollers so expensive?

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Randy Howard

08-05-2006 14:35:35




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Hi all,

I was wondering why bottom rollers demand such a steep price? Is there something special about them I don"t understand?

I am thinking of making my own. I have a nice lathe and access to heat treat so it seems a real simple project. I figure they are probably made from 4340 steel or something close to that or maybe from a low carbon steel and then case hardened? I see some rollers have seals and apparently others do not. So a counterbore for a seal might be needed.

So what do you all think? Anyone have specific material/heat treat specs for me? Maybe this is an opportunity to get a small production going for replacement rollers? Could work out for everyone. Thanks.

Randy

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Billy NY

08-07-2006 06:04:52




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 Re: Why are bottom rollers so expensive? in reply to Randy Howard, 08-05-2006 14:35:35  
Having read a fair amount about re-conditioning bottom rollers and the like over the years, on these forums, it's an interesting consideration for this component, time consuming but the results seem to be ok, but can also vary.

One person who was a long time employee for Cat, in the shop described some of the undercarriage rebuilding techniques, including rollers, which they would put on a machine that would spin them as the weld was deposited, making a neat job of it, have seen where others have done it with stick or wirefeed with a rougher surface, although it blends in after a short time anyways, if I recall correctly. I thought I saw some mention of having 1/2 of the roller submersed in water while building up to keep the heat in control, seals, deformation, cracking, must have been the reason, not sure, but was interesting how it was done, more so years ago. Did read one where recently someone brought some old Cat rollers into a shop with the set up described above, machine that spins them while they are built up and they had fractures in them after, don't think I recall the reason. I seems that if one had the time and the means, it may be a cost effective way to get some of those components built back up again, especially for older crawlers that don't see heavy use. In the modern world, seems it's not cost effective and they are straying away from it, be nice to have the tooling for this though.

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Randy Howard

08-07-2006 22:35:54




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 Re: Why are bottom rollers so expensive? in reply to Billy NY, 08-07-2006 06:04:52  
Well, guess I need to see one close-up. I really do not understand why such effort to re-weld is worth the while. Aren't they simple stepped rollers with a bore and possibly two counterbores for seals? Me thinks that it is a fairly simple lathe project with generous tolerences. This is not aircraft stuff, right?

Randy



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Billy NY

08-09-2006 19:41:29




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 Re: Why are bottom rollers so expensive? in reply to Randy Howard, 08-07-2006 22:35:54  
I would not think it to be micro tight tolerances, obviously you have to hold dimensions for the track chain to align properly between the, they would have to be treated, so they are not like mild steel which would wear quickly, hard but not brittle I suppose, for abrasion resistance.

I'd love to see one of Caterpillars old style rollers fabrication drawings, no machinist so not sure about the actual manufacturing process, that would be great to be able to make these correctly without a hassle.

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Bob Plumadore

08-06-2006 08:57:25




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 Re: Why are bottom rollers so expensive? in reply to Randy Howard, 08-05-2006 14:35:35  
What ever happened to rebuilding you old rollers? I know if they are Cat you can buy new hulls, new O rings for the seals and reuse the Duo Cone seals, shaft and bearings if you did not run them to distruction. We used to build the hulls up with weld. When you weld them you have to resized the bore since the welding process has a tendency to shrink it. E mail me and I will tell you the easiest method to weld them up

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Roy Suomi

08-05-2006 20:03:36




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 Re: Why are bottom rollers so expensive? in reply to Randy Howard, 08-05-2006 14:35:35  
Most are made overseas..middlemen..transportation costs.. mark-ups..taxes..They take $ 23.95 worth of materials and it goes to h*ll after that...Ain't capitolism great ?? Whats gas at where you're from ?? What exactly is the cost of gas?? Things to ponder.....



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