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Is building your own hydraulic hoses a good idea?

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seann

08-07-2006 14:07:32




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I have an old JCB backhoe that blew a hyd line over the weekend. Haven't gotten a quote from a dealer yet, but I can just imagine what they might want. Also, since this thing has so many hoses, many of which look pretty old, is it feasible/advisable to buy the die's required to swage/crimp the ends onto bulk hose and make your own? Any comments of suggestions welcome, thanks in advance.




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JCSinGA

08-10-2006 15:51:07




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 Re: Is building your own hydraulic hoses a good id in reply to seann, 08-07-2006 14:07:32  
I dont think you would ever come out buying the necessary equipment just to make your own hoses.
Now if you wanted to set up shop and build hoses for the public that may be an option.
Its been my experience if you find someone with the correct fittings (metric or odd sizes) to make your hose go ahead and let them do it, chances are your not gonna find them again for a while and their gonna be just as expensive.

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jml755

08-09-2006 10:27:21




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 Re: Is building your own hydraulic hoses a good id in reply to seann, 08-07-2006 14:07:32  
When I blew a hose on the 1st day I owned my Ford TLB last year, I went to a Parker Hydraulic store because I had heard "stay away from NH dealers". It cost about $70 for a 5' hose with JIC 37 deg fittings (3/4" or 1", I think). Because the other hoses looked pretty bad, I went online and bought 10' of hose and some reusable fittings, caps, reducers so that if a hose blew in the field, I could at least do a quick repair if I needed to. This cost about $90 but it is worth the peace of mind. When another hose (similar to the 1st one that blew) started leaking this spring, I called the local NH dealer just for grins and got one made up for $42 so I wouldn't say the hydraulic stores will always be cheaper. By the way, check out discounthydraulic.com. I think that's where I got my stuff online.
Jerry in MI

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ajk

08-08-2006 14:27:49




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 Re: Is building your own hydraulic hoses a good id in reply to seann, 08-07-2006 14:07:32  
All the old JCBs used BSP(British Standard Pipe)fittings,all pipe sizes were in inches and go by the bore.
AJ



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seann

08-09-2006 06:21:26




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 Re: Is building your own hydraulic hoses a good id in reply to ajk, 08-08-2006 14:27:49  
Thanks again for the advice. I took the hose to two auto parts places, both of which made custom hydraulic hoses. Neither one could help me because this hose has "special" ends on it. The threads appear to be english (which was good), but the interface has a special O-ring sealing system that is unlike the flared ends common here in the states. So I took it up to the only hydraulic shop around here at the edge of town. He saw the JCB stuff written on it and started smiling right off. He said "Oh these are british, they'll be extra". I said "how much extra?", and he said "about $300". The guy at NAPA told me if it didn't have the special ends it would only be about an $80 hose.

Anyway, I'm gonna look around a little bit more and see if I can just buy the ends seperately and then have the guy at NAPA put it together for me. Anyone know of an online source for British/JCB type hydraulic ends like this? Thanks...

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seann

08-08-2006 07:35:53




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 Re: Is building your own hydraulic hoses a good id in reply to seann, 08-07-2006 14:07:32  
Thanks everyone for the advice. I called the dealer and they said the hose was $265. It's about 3/4" in diameter and about 10 ft long (runs from the hydraulic pump on the front of the machine all the way up to the loader valve body next to the operator). It has 45 deg and 90 angle ends on it, and I presume since it's a JCB it's metric(?). Does this sound like an outrageous price? I've only had to replace hyd hoses once before. A few years back I blew a hose on my loader, one of the main loader cylinder lift hoses was dry rotted and let go when I was picking up a big oak. I went ahead and replaced all four of them, they were about an inch in diameter and maybe a yard long each. I got them at the local hydraulic shop, it ran me about $300 if I recall. At the time I hadn't a clue how much these things were and I needed it bad to keep working on my logging project, so I bit the bullet without looking into it further. I remember posting about it here. Seems like several people thought I got fleeced, and someone said he made his own hoses and saved a fortune, yadda yadda.

Anyway, do you guys have an estimate for how much it should cost at a local hose shop to make up a hose like I described? And if it is metric, is the guy likely to have the ends for it?

Thanks again for all the help.

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Case450

08-08-2006 06:30:29




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 Re: Is building your own hydraulic hoses a good id in reply to seann, 08-07-2006 14:07:32  
I have a lot of old machines that dont get a lot of use. Needless to say I've had to replace a lot of hydraulic hoses over the years. It is much cheaper and quicker to just take them to a hydraulics shop and get them redone. Usually takes about twenty minutes and the cost isn't skyhigh. Just dont use the dealer hoses, they'll fleece ya everytime. Goodluck!



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Randy Howard

08-07-2006 22:29:05




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 Re: Is building your own hydraulic hoses a good id in reply to seann, 08-07-2006 14:07:32  
Holy smokes man,

Rebuilding hoses is often an unecessarily difficult way to go. And so is going to your local tractor dealer$$$. Most hydraulic hoses are pretty cheap to have custome made at your local supplier using swaged-on fittings. Rebuildable fittings are intended for field-use repair by those without local access to an undustrial supplier. So take your old hose, with fittings attached, to the local hydraulic/hose shop in your area and say "I want one just like this". It is easy to do, and in my experience pretty cheap too.

Randy

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MikeS55d

08-07-2006 14:49:13




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 Re: Is building your own hydraulic hoses a good id in reply to seann, 08-07-2006 14:07:32  
You would have to make a lot of hoses to break even much less come out ahead. I occasionally make up hoses (re-usable ends, not crimpped) at work. It's more exacting work than you might think. The slightest error can be deadly.

The first rule is do not go to the dealer.

Every "3 or more stoplight" town has a hose supplier that will make a replacement for any hose that you bring in. My backhoe experience is that once one goes, the rest are not far behind. You might be able to strike a deal for a discount if you re-hose the whole machine at one time.

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