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deere 350B reverser weak and squeals

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razerface

09-22-2006 16:53:08




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Have a Deere 350B dozer. Noticed a leak under reverser. I know I will have to take engine out and fix front seal on reverser. Before I do that, there are other problems. When dozer gets warmed up, the dozer will stop moving when put under load. If you lift the blade, it will take off slow and speed up, then will push dirt till under good load, then stop again. I checked pressure at reverser,,80 in N,,,114 in F & R. If I use in reverse a lot before I shut dozer off,,,the oil leaks out looking foamy. When I put in reverse, it squeals. Forward does not squeal. Squeal sounds like “air in hyd” sound,,sort of. What is involved in rebuilding a reverser? What kind of $$? Is there a kit avail? Anybody know anything to check before I get that drastic?

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razerface

09-25-2006 09:56:10




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 Re: deere 350B reverser weak and squeals in reply to razerface, 09-22-2006 16:53:08  
I adjusted the pressure on the reverser to 128lb,,,now it squeals much less. Do you think I have reverse? It doesn"t show it on the shift gate.



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jdemaris

09-25-2006 16:17:54




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 Re: deere 350B reverser weak and squeals in reply to razerface, 09-25-2006 09:56:10  
350Bs are supposed to have reverse in the gear-transmission. That because the hydraulic-reverser was still only an option. When the C series came out - the hydraulic reverser HAD to be included because it powered the new wet-steering clutches. So - along with the new clutches, reverse was left out to the gear-trans. So - with your B, who knows? Maybe it's real late B? In regard to other comments about the hydraulic reverse "squealing." It shouldn't be squealing, but they ALL wine. That because, when the reverser is in reverse, all power is routed through a coutershaft and four gears that are straight-cut. Straight-cut gears are always noisey - that's why they are not used anymore in cars and trucks. Helical or hypoid are much quietier. Anyway, when the reverser is in forward position, none of those gears are being used.

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razerface

09-25-2006 18:35:56




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 Re: deere 350B reverser weak and squeals in reply to jdemaris, 09-25-2006 16:17:54  
where would I cut the gate to find reverse?



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srs/MN

09-24-2006 13:43:55




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 Re: deere 350B reverser weak and squeals in reply to razerface, 09-22-2006 16:53:08  
No matter what you end up spending on repairs it will still squeal in reverse - at least every one I've ever been around has done it...
I owned an early 350 and often, about 1/2 way through digging a basement, I quit using reverse on the reverser, and used the gear transmission reverse instead, because the squealing about drove me nuts... later, when I bought a brand new 350C, I thought it would be quieter, but it wasn't, and since it didn't have a reverse gear in the transmission, I was stuck listening to the reverser squeal until I finally traded it off for a 450C which was much quieter...
I was told by several JD mechanics that "that's just the way 350's are"... I think they were right, too.
srs?MN

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jdemaris

09-22-2006 17:50:49




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 Re: deere 350B reverser weak and squeals in reply to razerface, 09-22-2006 16:53:08  
There usually aren't any shortcuts or easy fixes, and I've never heard of any kits available. When I worked for Deere, there were a few kits for larger hydraulic transmissions - e.g Powershifts, but not for the one used in the 1010s and 350s. Usually, a lot of stuff just gets generally worn out. There are two clutch packs - forward and reverse - and they both have metal parts that get worn beyone usefulness (pistons and drums). Then, there's a part that carries oil to both clutches - a hydraulic "collector" or "manifold" - and it's just about always worn out on a high-hours machine. Then, you've got clutch disks and steels if the old ones are burnt and/or warped, bearings, front hyrdraulic pump gears, etc. In regard to the front seal, when it leaks - it is usually because the shafts in the reverser have gotten loose due to bearing wear. Also, besides the reverser itself - you've got the torsional-isolator assembly on the flywheel that drives the reverser. It MUST be right or it will fly apart and seize the engine. At the very least, you will need new springs. When we sold 350s new and also rented used ones - busted isolators were our #1 repair job. 1010s and early 350s didn't have it and held up fine - but late 350s, Bs, Cs, etc. did have the "bad" isolator that is made up of anchors and separate springs. Deere now sells and update kit if you chose to elimate the old-style unit, but it probably costs a fortune (requires a new flywheel). If you needed all the parts to fix the old isolator - it would probably add up to $600 - $700. And, I assume the update kit for the new style isolator is much higher. In a "best case scenario" you could pull a reverser apart, install bearings where needed, install all new seals, new pump gears (a must) somewhere in the range of $400 in parts. But that would be very rare and parts are very expensive. I would expect, bottom dollar, to spend over $2000 in parts if buying new - and that's being VERY conservative. You could also fix it with the mindset that . . . you just want to install the bare minimum to get it working and will not worry about how many years it will last. With that mindset - I assume you could patch it up and make it work cheaper. But - with all the labor involved - I wouldn't cut too many corners on it.

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