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What is good all around around crawler

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FarmallBob

10-09-2006 09:25:23

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I don't have a crawler, but would like to have one. Need something to push boulders, tree stumps, clear ground with. Though I wouldn't want something to big. Is there a nice smaller model that can get the job done? Thank you.
Bob

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FarmallBob

10-11-2006 06:16:20

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Re: What is good all around around crawler in reply to FarmallBob, 10-09-2006 09:25:23

Gentleman,
I want to thank you for your help, and when the time comes to make that purchase you just may be receiving more questions. Though I do have a question about the under carriage. If you had a lathe or grinder couldn't you make your own roll pins? and the sprockets can't they be rewelded and reworked? Thanks again!
Bob

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oldcraneguy

10-11-2006 13:13:56

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Re: What is good all around around crawler in reply to FarmallBob, 10-11-2006 06:16:20

while Im sure they can be built up and turned down I think theyre really hard steel, I kinda doubt that you can hardface em and turn em down much cheaper than buying new unless maybe you do have a lathe and a really cheap source for rod and lotsa time on your hands...if your gonna do a track job yourself whether you by new or redo your old parts its a LOT of work, none of it easy or light!

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Tigerhaze

10-12-2006 13:04:38

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Re: What is good all around around crawler in reply to oldcraneguy, 10-11-2006 13:13:56

I believe the pins are usually heat-treated, so manufacturing your own probably isn't an option.

My sprockets have been rewelded several times over the years (every time they develop a crack). Unfortunately it seems that the stress causes a crack in a new spot. Because they no longer offer sprockets for my machine (they have gone obselete) I don't have much a choice.

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Case450

10-10-2006 17:53:26

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Re: What is good all around around crawler in reply to FarmallBob, 10-09-2006 09:25:23

Obviously I'm a Case fan. My 450C is the first crawler i've ever dealt with and I love it. Automatic tranny and she'll push all day without a problem. I bought my machine as a 450B (he didn't know what he had) for $5500.00 cdn and have rebuilt and installed new undercarriage parts for about seven grand cdn. The biggest thing is the undercarriage. I got about two years part time work out of my old undercarriage before it completely came apart. I use it to dig stumps, level pit run from tandem dumptrucks and build roads. I'm not sure how i got along before I got the machine but now she's all rebuilt and running tip top i'm one happy camper. I can float it on my ten ton triaxle float without any problems and parts are very easy to find. Just my two cents. Good Luck!

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oldcraneguy

10-11-2006 12:59:09

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Re: What is good all around around crawler in reply to Case450, 10-10-2006 17:53:26

First dozer I ever ran for hire was a 450 case, I think a B it was new in 72 and I really loved it it did seem that the differential hi/lo sterring was a bit jerky but I didnt care, ran that same machine off & on for about 4 yrs and I cant recall ever having any trouble with it, fast blade too!

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oldcraneguy

10-10-2006 15:26:32

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Re: What is good all around around crawler in reply to FarmallBob, 10-09-2006 09:25:23

Bob, you didnt mention your budget so Im gonna guess that since your prob not gonna work it every day that a new or young one is out of the question.
So your gonna find alot of 12-15 yr old pieces in the 15k range..still too much? (would be for me) If you wanna get down in the 5k range you gotta be ready to do some work on it the engine is an engine, rebuilding one is work and money but not as much or as hard as trans/undercarrige , pay special attention to track pins, rollers, sprockets, idlers and frames you can eyeball all but the pins. you need to feel for wear where the sprocket teeth contact them, if only one side is worn youve got 50% left which aint bad at all for a part time dozer, better yet take someone with you who knows crawlers and get his opinion. Most small dozers from the mid 70's on up were good designs its just a matter of wear... have fun and good luck

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Coke-in-MN

10-10-2006 08:20:02

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Re: What is good all around around crawler in reply to FarmallBob, 10-09-2006 09:25:23

Depending on your budget, if you go CAT you are goingto pay more that for AC / FA / JD / Case / or IH... as the names have changed and mfg have bought out others the parts network is also changed. If you want a power shift machine, 6 way blade, loader or other features the price will go up. Undercarrage is the big expense on any track machine. There is no easy fix or cheap way to keep worn parts from causing problems. I have a HD5G / AC machine i still use that i bought in 1972 , I also have a FA / FD5 and both are great machines but cost of each at the time was a factor in buying them. I also had a CAT D6-9U that cost me a fortune to keep running and finaly traded it off for a AC / HD4..

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Roy Suomi

10-09-2006 21:22:38

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Re: What is good all around around crawler in reply to FarmallBob, 10-09-2006 09:25:23

Familiar with crawlers?? If not take someone with you that is..They're all good machines..The big question is why is this particular one for sale ?? What lies will he tell me about this one.. Something to always keep in the back of your mind..I don't believe the tax write-off line anymore..Things aren't that good anymore..I'm partial to Deere crawlers as if you haven't noticed..I once owned a Allis Chalmers HD-5 with the AC engine , stick shift.. I kept it several years with minimal repairs ..Spend a couple of hours looking over a prospective machine..Put it up on wood blocks and crawl under it with a flashlight..Look for broken bolts . welded framerails . gussets welded anywhere . oil leaks..Pick it apart, it's your money...

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JoelD

10-10-2006 19:24:00

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Re: What is good all around around crawler in reply to Roy Suomi, 10-09-2006 21:22:38

Best advice I can give you, I've only purchased two crawlers, a Case 310C and a JD 350. The best advice is, when you've found a machine you like, ask, particularly on a forum like this, for what specific characteristics you should check for on that particular machine. Each machine has their strong and weak points. Rely on those familar to give you a laundry list of particular items to review in detail with the particular machine in question. I always consider ability to transport. Ability to leave sitting for periods of time, I prefer diesel over gas, etc.
Good luck,
Joel

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ottercreek boy

10-11-2006 09:01:49

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Re: What is good all around around crawler in reply to JoelD, 10-10-2006 19:24:00

I believe that every one has their own preference in crawlers and that has been clearly stated. I personally enjoy the old Cats. I've had a D7-3t for 25+ years and have used it a great deal while requiring minimal repairs except finally I had to fix a final drive and have the pins turned. Also a few other things of which I have done myself, but I have put thousands of hours on building ponds,clearing fence lines and grubbing on the farm. The cable blade and wenches are easy to maintain and use. Again opinions are like a--h---- in that everyone has one. LRP

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Tigerhaze

10-11-2006 12:01:49

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Re: What is good all around around crawler in reply to ottercreek boy, 10-11-2006 09:01:49

I agree with the assessment that everyone has a preference and you will get a million answers on brand preference. I recently got into crawlers; I own a JD 2010 crawler loader with backhoe attachment and have also operated a rental CAT 939HST crawler loader. The difference in breakout force and power between the two are no comparison not because of brand but because of size and HP (that CAT had around twice the HP of my JD).

I would say the important things to look for are whether you need a dozer vs. loader (not trying to start a battle about this), what size crawler you need to do the tasks you have, and whether the model you choose has good availability for parts (this is an important issue).

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