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JD 310 Bucket Questions -- Update

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john_bud

10-30-2006 07:26:31




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Hi,

I looked at the bucket on Friday. It is a light duty 30" bucket. The bad news is that it has had the cutting edge replaced, and then bent a bit in use. Teeth were welded on to the carbon steel edge and all but 1 broke off. (that one is cracked) The correct procedures for welding to carbon steel were obviously not used. There are some other weld repairs where the side walls meets.

Still, the body of the bucket is in decent shape, with surface rust on it. Given that I wanted a larger light bucket to adapt to a Ford 723 hoe, a deal was struck and $90 changed hands. I figured that at that price it was a decent deal.

I will be getting some DOM tubing to fill the holes and bush down to 1 1/4" for the Ford bucket pin size.

The bottom hole is 1 3/4 with a width of 10". Anyone see any problems putting 1/4" wall DOM into the hole and extending 1" in to match the 8" width the Ford needs? Should I gusset the stub or will it being only 1" long be plenty stout? I will use longer pins that go all the way to the outside.

The top hole is 1 1/2" with a width of 8 1/4". Again using 1/8" DOM to bush it down and then 1/8" washers to fill the gap.

Sound like a plan?

Again all input, advice and words of wisdom eagerly accepted!

jb

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135 Fan

10-30-2006 12:52:40




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 Re: JD 310 Bucket Questions -- Update in reply to john_bud, 10-30-2006 07:26:31  
It should work. The only thing I would worry about is that the pipe you're thinking of using might be too soft and get egg shaped. Maybe you could find a harder type of bushing or have one machined? I only mention this because the bushings aren't vey thick like the original mounts for the bigger pins. On the part that sticks out, I would put another bushing over top of that one and weld everything up with the pins in the holes while you do it. If the holes are off only a fraction, it can make putting the bucket on or off a pain. You could also cut the cutting edge off and put a higher carbon steel one on or a proper cutting edge. Wear strips or hardfacing would also increase the life and usefulness of the bucket. Hope this helps. Dave

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john_bud

10-30-2006 19:26:31




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 Re: JD 310 Bucket Questions -- Update in reply to 135 Fan, 10-30-2006 12:52:40  
Dave,

Sure does help.

The Ford bucket has pins 10 and 14 inches apart. (From the dipper stick pin) The JD has them both closer and farther apart. So that would be either less leverage or more leverage with less curl. Probably should make it as close to the ford pattern as possible. So, I think I will have a machine shop put in new bushings and metal supports to mimic the Ford bucket. It's hard to explain, but easy to see.

I think you are right, having the bushings off would be a mess. Best to pony up the bucks and have it right.

jb

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135 Fan

10-30-2006 20:39:00




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 Re: JD 310 Bucket Questions -- Update in reply to john_bud, 10-30-2006 19:26:31  
I helped make a bucket from an old P&H H418 fit on an Hitachi UH122. The bucket had a strip taken out of the middle and was narrowed. New ears with new bushings already welded in were put on the bucket. There was a hurry for it, so it got sent to a shop that finished welding and used a porta-power to hold the pin holes in alignment. I have a Cat quick attach hoe with two mounting holes for the bucket cylinder and two more in the two bars the pin goes through. Older JD's had this as well. If you want to pile high and reach out further or load trucks make the bucket curl more. You loose a little force when the pins are closer together but you keep more in the bucket. New machines have more rotation in the linkage and higher hydr. pressure. Look at some different buckets, you'll see what I mean. I need a wide clean up bucket too but I'll probably have to make my own. New buckets from dealers are a fortune. Dave

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john_bud

11-01-2006 19:49:28




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 Bucket at the machine shop in reply to 135 Fan, 10-30-2006 20:39:00  
Got the bucket down to the machine shop. They will be pushing out two old worn 1 3/4 bushings and putting in new 1 1/4 ones for the dipper stick attachment.

Then they will add enough metal to make 2 new bushing and shrink the 10" gap between ears down to 8" to be compatible with the Ford. Basically, this adds an extra pin location where the Ford had it's "power pin". There is still one more pin location farther away for even more leverage, but at drastically reduced curl.

Finally, they will also make 2 pins 1 1/4 x about 14" .

Total price around $240.

Sound about right?

jb

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135 Fan

11-01-2006 20:43:23




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 Re: Bucket at the machine shop in reply to john_bud, 11-01-2006 19:49:28  
That sounds reasonable and it will be done right. Shops around here are getting close to $100 an hour. $240 including materials is a bargain compared to buying a new bucket. Dave



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john_bud

11-02-2006 06:51:12




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 Re: Bucket at the machine shop in reply to 135 Fan, 11-01-2006 20:43:23  
Dave,

I hear ya on that! Machine shops in some areas are thinking their poop don't stink! Around here they still are reasonable in the 50 an hour range. I don't mind paying, I just don't want them to name the new yacht after me!!

After looking at my current Frankenstein bucket and the price of materials getting it done right was looking pretty cheap. Still, the bucket will cost me 90 + 240 -- not free, but still not bad for a 36" bucket with new bushings. Still needs some teeth.

jb

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