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Torque converter wear

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David - OR

10-30-2006 09:17:19




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I have a John Deere 310D tractor/loader/backhoe. I bought it used at auction-- the hour meter showed 2300 hours but I suspect it had more hours than that.

After dealing with a leaking injector pump shaft seal nd the resulting "engine makes oil" issue, it has been a great machine for me; I've put 350 hours on it in the 4 years I've had it. It has easily paid back the purchase price many times over.

But ever since I bought it, the torque converter has seemed "weak". Shifting the reverser from forward to reverse gives a nice soft feel, but probably too soft. The machine will just barely climb a 15 percent grade in third gear and full throttle. It will spin all 4 tires in first gear, if you put the bucket up against a dirt bank and advance the throttle, but won't do this in second gear.

One more experienced operator commented that the converter felt weak to him as well -- too much slip in the driveline compared to the machines he was used to operating.

My machine does pretty much everything I need it to, so there's no urgent need to "fix" anything.

But I'm curious -- how "tight" should the converter on these machines feel? The one on mine feels MUCH softer than modern-day cars with automatic transmissions, and I don't know if that's correct or not.

And why is a construction machine torque converter considered a "wear item"? (judging from the availability of aftermarket replacements). What parts within them can wear out in this fashion? With only a fluid connection between the pump, turbine, and stator, I can't think of what could cause "slip" to increase over time, other than internal mechnical damage to the blades.

The reverser fluid is clean, the level is correct, and there's no obvious sign that the reverser is what is slipping. But maybe I'm off base in my assessment..

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Ken Zlotkowski

01-21-2007 11:12:06




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 Re: Torque converter wear in reply to David - OR, 10-30-2006 09:17:19  
Must be something going around. I have a 310d that I am having the same problem. I just replaced the fluid and checked the screen in the reverser. Shifts softly and takes a little too long. 1st gear it will go and second, but now in 3 and 4, doesn't want to move (recent development). I'm interested in knowing which way to start checking. Manual suggest a leak in the reverser, low pressure, sticking valve? or check the transaxle. It suggest other things also which aren't the problem--low fluid, clogged screen etc.

Where in the reverser could it be leaking or loosing pressure. Will changing the torgue converter correct the problem? Any way to check that?

Thanks for any input.

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JD Red

11-02-2006 16:40:05




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 Re: Torque converter wear in reply to David - OR, 10-30-2006 09:17:19  
be sure to check that high idle is to spec, a difference of a couple hundred RPM can make a world of difference.



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Roy Suomi

10-30-2006 16:51:03




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 Re: Torque converter wear in reply to David - OR, 10-30-2006 09:17:19  
Easy , Cheap stuff first...Did you change the filter yet??? I ran into a 410-B that was sluggish..Changed the Too Small For The Machine Filter...Amazing results



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VaTom

11-01-2006 04:34:57




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 Re: Torque converter wear in reply to Roy Suomi, 10-30-2006 16:51:03  
On the subject, different machine. Cat 944 (tire loader) has a similar ailment, suddenly worse. I"ve changed the oil, new correct filter, and cleaned the screen strainer. Was not a large amount of debris in the system. Torque converter temp guage stays in green, no converter pressure guage. Clutch oil pressure is normal (around 220).

Now it will barely climb a 30% slope in lowest gear, empty. Engine"s fine.

According to the manual, I"ve tried all four clutches in various combinations. All showed lack of power. That leaves the torque converter?

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