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Ford 723 backhoe - control question

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john_bud

12-14-2006 07:14:20




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Hi,

I am doing some R&R on my old Ford 723 backhoe model 19-301 (14' dig). It has many cracks to weld and needs the swing post replaced. Those I can do but it also has an operating issue that I am not exactly sure what is the root cause.

When operating, the boom drops very rapidly unless you just feather the control. It gets to be exciting if it drops fast as the whole machine then jumps when you back off the control and the boom stops suddenly.

There is a one way flow restricter in the line from the boom cylinder that is supposed to slow the drop speed. Initially I thought that was the problem, but it is there and has the sliding sleeve.

My other thought is that the check valve or spring inside the spool is the issue.

I'll be taking the control apart and checking, but what should I be expecting to see?

If that isn't the problem, what else might it be?


Thanks for helping the hydraulically challenged!

jb

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GLENN PYZAK

12-18-2006 12:20:53




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 Re: Ford 723 backhoe - control question in reply to john_bud, 12-14-2006 07:14:20  
Ive had two of these hoes and only had the boom
come down quyickly on one of them.It sounds like your spool is worn out.This is exspensive to fix.
i just got lucky and replaced the all the valves
from a parts machine.It could be the cylinder is
leaking internaly,but most likely the spool and bore tolerances are loose.



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Tom New Jersey

12-15-2006 15:22:22




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 Re: Ford 723 backhoe - control question in reply to john_bud, 12-14-2006 07:14:20  
I have a 713 backhoe on a 4030 1961 Ford that has the same problem of the boom dropping very abruptly and stopping very abruptly . I have had the valve body apart numerous times, I can find no problem with the valve body. Swapped the hoses temporarly to a different valve, it has a correct restricter in the correct line always the same problem. I am of the opinion that is the way the machine worked since new. The only thing that helped somewhat is I put a longer handle on the boom control. I hope someone has a better idea....

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jdemaris

12-14-2006 08:28:10




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 Re: Ford 723 backhoe - control question in reply to john_bud, 12-14-2006 07:14:20  
I've always found the 723 to be a "jerky" hoe anyway. I've been using mine for 40 years - it's on a 1964 4000 Industrial wheel-tractor. It's got the most convoluted arrangement of control sticks I've ever seen. I've also got a Case 580CK and a Pettibone Mulithoe LBA. All three hoes have a different arrangement in hoe controls - but it's only the Ford that I never get used to. Anyway - I've got all the part's microfiche for the 4000 tractor, and 723 and 724 parts if you need any parts info.

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john_bud

12-14-2006 10:36:37




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 Re: Ford 723 backhoe - control question in reply to jdemaris, 12-14-2006 08:28:10  
Thanks, I appreciate the offer!

Just got the dipper stick, boom and platform all separated yesterday. Got the swing post off this morning and started taking out the bushings for the swingpost from the platform. Lots of wear there. I'll post some pictures of the damage to the swing post. It's the most damaged piece of metal that was still in use I have ever seen! Good thing I have a decent replacement.


jb

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john_bud

12-14-2006 16:21:07




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 Re: Ford 723 backhoe - Link to pictures in reply to john_bud, 12-14-2006 10:36:37  

The swing post pictures are in a sub-folder named "Swing Post".

It was repaired in June of this year for some rather nasty cracks. Most had been repaired before, but the dumb sob didn't chip slag between passes and the (ahem) weld didn't hold. I really don't know why some people even try if they don't know diddly about what they are doing. Ground it all out and welded it much better. I knew it wasn't a permanent fix as the main pivot was still ugly and needed to be removed to do. I went and got a spare SP as I didn't think the original was worth the effort of saving. Lucky it went as long as it did!

jb

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jim krem

03-09-2007 19:12:20




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 Re: Ford 723 backhoe - Link to pictures in reply to john_bud, 12-14-2006 16:21:07  
Hey John I am trying to redo a723 thats off my major were cani get bushings? its worth fixing only the boom is about like yours was.It shure looks like it made someone alot of money in its day. any help would be great thanks



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george md

12-15-2006 19:22:03




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 Re: Ford 723 backhoe - Link to pictures in reply to john_bud, 12-14-2006 16:21:07  
jb,

I made the tooling to repair the swing pin holes in the swing post . The one I made the

tooling for was a 765 , but the pictures look

somewhat similar. I do them for the local

ford tractor dealer ,I'm the only guy in the

territory that has a milling machine big

enough to do it .I have a 3 inch spindle Lucas,

it is a horizontal boring mill .

I you need a picture of the tooling, I can send

some to you .

george

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jdemaris

12-15-2006 05:44:33




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 Re: Ford 723 backhoe - Link to pictures in reply to john_bud, 12-14-2006 16:21:07  
Mine has been broken or worn-out in all the same places as your's - plus more. 723 hoe and 724 front loader has very strong hydraulics - so it can pretty easily tear itself apart. Mine was used as an all-purpose farm machine for over 40 years - it even dug a few ponds. Mine is on an industrial 4000 tractor - 1964 with a Sherman underdrive aux. trans. and 172 gas engine. The engine block has cracked twice where the front-end connects to it. Another persistent problem was - mine had the weird British hydraulic-hose ends on the hoe. Some had them, some did not. For years - every time a hose blew - I had to weld the old ends onto new hoses. Just recently, I found a Ford dealer that had permanent adaptors to covert to standard pipe thread.

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john_bud

12-15-2006 10:40:15




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 Re: Ford 723 backhoe - Link to pictures in reply to jdemaris, 12-15-2006 05:44:33  
JD,

Interesting!

I noticed last night that with the swing post off, the mounts on the body of the hoe that hold the SP are bent. Well, the middle one is bent down about 1/8" maybe 3/16". It's also cocked off to one side. Hard to tell exactly how much it is out.


Any thoughts on what to do to fix?

Thanks!

jb



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