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D69U serial# etc questions

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ttman4

01-10-2007 21:56:40




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Hi, I bought a D69U last year, then got kinda sick. Just now getting round to running it/learning to run a dozer. Right now using it to clean off some really narley rocky ground here in C. Oregon. This thing has a 12' straight hyd blade- up & down.
Got some questions. Lots of them.
Has a seperate (not mounted) hyd PTO unit to bolt on the rear for rear hyd. Anyone know what these PTO units were good to run?

Tags on dozer, & engine say Cat. Chili:M.R., then serial #6914SP Tag on blade says Cat. Chili:M.R., serial #16C5869, then 6A Bulldozer. Anybody know what the Chili:M.R. stands for, and what year these might be?
How do you figure out what guage this should have? Measure it, or what?

What engines should this have? A 318, or different?
I have Serviceman's Ref. Book forD6 (Form 7861-A and 223pages, can't find print date) that came with it...showes in there 4 1/4 x 5 1/2 Bore & stroke. Shows 55HP & Also says 19 qt oil capaticy & approx 30 psi @ gov. This thing runs 60cold & 45-50 hot if guage working right.
Also came w/machine- Operators Instructions For Cat Diesel D6 (Form 12692-2 and 80 pages) and in it oil cap. is 22 qt.
I'll keep full, but was trying to fig what engine I have.


What year did they go to electric start? This has good running & starting pony motor, but have wondered if they can be changed & if it's worth it??
Were rippers available for these machines? Sure like to have a single tooth ripper, but have no idea where or how much for one. Thanks, James

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Billy NY

01-16-2007 07:24:59




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 Re: D69U serial# etc questions in reply to ttman4, 01-10-2007 21:56:40  
Starting engines can be a pain, when not maintained and if you need to start in a hurry, or are otherwise inconvienenced by dealing with the fuel system or ignition system. Some have done the conversion over for many reasons, its one of those matter of preference things.

Like I mentioned in the later thread, keep the oil changed, and clean, ignition system in order, magneto hot, and fuel system clean, there are people who re-build the mags if ever needed, just ask around. Keep moisture away from these, cover it up, if the tractor is not under cover, but allow room for air to circulate. Fuel tanks develop rust and it clogs the lines and holes in the carb, clean the sediment bowl and and use a high rising screen so you can get fuel flow if the rust settles down. YOu can refurbish the metal tank, I cleaned mine up by placing crushed stone in it and sloshing it around, then kept it full, there are coatings for these as well. The carburetors are easy to clean and re-build, should be a zenith, kits still available for them. Use solid, wire type conductor spark plug wires and don't use champion plugs, am told they don't perform well, apparently others are much better, I am leaning towards agreeing on that one too. These need a good hot spark to run good.

Starting engines are great in the cold weather, benefits are that you turn the diesel engine over with the compression off and no fuel, until oil pressure comes up and the coolant is warmed vs. turning one over cold and trying to get it to fire with an electric starter and batteries, batteries can become discharged, starter can heat up etc. unless it's got a block heater or some means to keep it warm.

Converting over to direct electric start, you need to do the work, get the parts, batteries etc and could be $1000, which is what it cost for a D7 3T to be converted years ago around here. Probably some better deals now, but still not inexpensive when said and done.

In a cold environment, one would think that it might be tough to get enough time out of the batteries to turn it over enough to fire, especially on one with a worn engine, unless it could be plugged in and heated prior to, then I'd think it would work nicely. Someone I know converted a D7 3T to direct elec. start and on that one I cannot imagine it firing unless kept plugged in when cold, knowing how that ole 4 banger fires, seems like it could be difficult. Mind you, below 40 deg or so it may be more difficult then when above 40, and if it's worn, it will need more heat to fire. On the other hand, my 7 which has very low original hours, diesel seems to run like a new or freshly rebuilt one, when it's warm outside, it will fire without hesitation, starting engine does not need to turn it over much at all, soon as I kick it in, turn on compression/fuel, it's like it has been running and is warmed up. No popping or delay at all, must have good compression. When in the teens or 20's though, one cylinder will pop at a time, after it's been spinning over for several minutes with compression off, no fuel, now I cannot imagine how it would fire with direct start unless it had a block heater or something due to the time I have to spin it over with the starting engine. Different ball game for this era of slow turning diesels when cold. The starting engine gets everything circulating and warm after awhile, so the benefit seems to be less engine wear on start ups and you can turn it over for as long as you need to, for starting and other purposes, say like re-priming the fuel system, keep in mind the starting engine uses the diesels coolant system to cool it on most of these, so you must turn the main over or it will overheat, at least mine is like that, assuming the 9U is similar. If you need to re-build a starting engine, best to do before a catastrophic failure, not cheap as mentioned. I don't mind them at all, depends on ones preference, what climate you are in and how you are set up to deal with it, a worn motor in a cold environment will need all the help it can get it to fire. There is a nice 9U / 8U series starting engine listed on e-bay right now, seems there may be a few around from all the conversions that have been done. Sometimes the engaging mechanism, pinion needs to be adjusted as it may disenagage too soon, and always make sure it disengages on time, or the main can overspeed it, I keep a hand on the throttle lever on mine and the pinion lever as it wants to overspeed it sometimes, just something to be aware of. A lot of these things I picked up on by reading the forums and running the tractor, seems like a lot, but once it's settled in, not hard to remember, and seat time is always fun, just have to use care and be safe.

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King of Obsolete

01-13-2007 20:07:40




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 Re: D69U serial# etc questions in reply to ttman4, 01-10-2007 21:56:40  
i have 3 d6 9u cats and 2 of then were under water for 3 long years as part of cat trains. doing the steering clutch on the d6 9u known as THE HOOD. check out my website and see how we ahve fun with them, like old magnet says "they are the best cat made"

www.kingofobsolete.ca

also old magnet helped me do the electric starters.

thansk



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ttman4

01-15-2007 08:44:09




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 Re: D69U serial# etc questions in reply to King of Obsolete, 01-13-2007 20:07:40  
Yeah King, I've read some interesting stuff at your site over the last year.
Very good!



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hectorgemme

01-11-2007 12:35:04




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 Re: D69U serial# etc questions in reply to ttman4, 01-10-2007 21:56:40  

If your service men manual 7861-a is oké for your d6 he should be a d6 -5r with a motor 46oo not a 318.



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ttman4

01-15-2007 08:33:36




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 Re: D69U serial# etc questions in reply to hectorgemme, 01-11-2007 12:35:04  
So your saying that the #7861-A Serviceman"s Manual probably fits D6-5r with a 46oo engine instead of D6-9U with a 318 engine?
This might be why the #7861-A Serviceman"s Manual shows in there 4 1/4 x 5 1/2 Bore & stroke instead of 4 1/2X 5 1/2 and shows 55HP instead of 75 HP, & also says 19 qt oil capaticy instead of 22 qt.

I"m still trying to get enough manuals together to service and repair this thing correctly.
Thanks
James

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Old Magnet

01-11-2007 08:43:45




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 Re: D69U serial# etc questions in reply to ttman4, 01-10-2007 21:56:40  
Yup, lots of questions.
The 9U is wide gage (74 in.) vs 8U (60 in). Measure from sprocket centers.

The Chili thing (Markus Registradus) is just where the trade mark was registered. Machines were made in USA.

The Bee-Gee rear hydraulic pump was quite common and most often used to open and close a disc.

The 16C5869 angle blade is correct for your model and could be either hydraulic or cable operated.

Engine is D318 4-1/2 in. bore, 5-1/2 stroke.
Draw bar hp is 75.
Engine oil capacity is 22 qts.
Oil pressure is normally 30 psi
#6914SP (SP is for Special Parts) usually optional transmission gearing. Date of mfg. is 1951

Electric start option came out at sr. # 9U-19,402 Earlier units can be converted using 40MT, 42MT and even 50MT starters. (Drilling of bell housing req'd if hole is not provided)

All kinds of attachments were available.

They are a great old tractor, one of the best Cat ever made. Have fun.

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rad

01-11-2007 08:29:38




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 Re: D69U serial# etc questions in reply to ttman4, 01-10-2007 21:56:40  
You might drop by the Antique Caterpillar Machinery Owners Club (ACMOC) forum to see what those guys have to say. www.acmoc.org



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ttman4

01-15-2007 08:49:02




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 Re: D69U serial# etc questions in reply to rad, 01-11-2007 08:29:38  
Quote"You might drop by the Antique Caterpillar Machinery Owners Club (ACMOC) forum to see what those guys have to say. www.acmoc.org"

Yeah I finally got signed up over there I think.
Will ask round over there some also.
Thanks



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Bob Plumadore

01-11-2007 07:14:43




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 Re: D69U serial# etc questions in reply to ttman4, 01-10-2007 21:56:40  
the rear hyd can be used to operate a winch, backhoe hyd scraper.ripper or a set of harrows. I would perfer a flow divider and a seperate valve for the rear mount, I have seen several different makes of pumps, BEE GEE being the most popular. the clutch has to be enguaged to operate the rear PTO, you can be in nutral but the cluth has to be engaged.
A lot of the 9U tractors had electric start, in is no problem to change over and a lot cheaper than rebuilding a pony engine.
It appears this machine was MFG in Chilie.

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