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JD 350C reverser adjustment

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Rcrawford

02-17-2007 16:30:14




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When changing direction the crawler shifts hard and after replacing the isolator plate and the rest of the hardware I would like to keep from having to repeat that chore for as long as I can. What I need is the procedure for checking and setting reverser pressure, something about shims..... I can't seem to get the shift I want with the screw, even after I removed it and cleaned it.




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Rcrawford

02-17-2007 19:30:40




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 Re: JD 350C reverser adjustment in reply to Rcrawford, 02-17-2007 16:30:14  
A bit about this crawler. bought it and going to foward to reverse and reverse to forward it would just snap your neck, this being my first reverser equiped tractor I tought nothing about it after 3-5 hours of use I broke a spring in the isolator plate and was out of service. My history with this crawler is less than 10 hours. I replaced the spider, springs, bolts and bushing. When you bottom out the adjustment screw and get a good shift in 2nd gear after it is warmed up the next day it will take 3-5 min to move after it is put in gear. After it moves it will shift right till it warms up then it will start shifting harder and harder till I have to use the clutch. I service the reverser with a new filter and fluid. I do not have any of the books for this crawler yet I just have the parts book for the 350B. It does not give pressures and proceedures for trouble shooting this problem... Thank all of of you for the help and info. On a side note this is a 350 C-E the factory wide I was thinking about going back to the regular stance does anyone have regular axles 84" is to wide to haul around for me.....

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jdemaris

02-18-2007 06:52:37




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 Re: JD 350C reverser adjustment in reply to Rcrawford, 02-17-2007 19:30:40  
The older reversers ran a hot pressure of 120 PSI. The C series can be run 130 to 150 PSI. We often had to jack them up to keep the steering clutches from slipping.

I suspect you've got some internal problems from what you describe. In regard to the accumulators - there are NO shims. It is adjusted by the length of stroke - which is adjusted with a bolt and nut.

I would check the easy and obvious firt. Find out what your cluth pressure is - when it's shift okay and also, when it's not. Also, look closely at the control-valve and pedal-linkage. Make sure there is no dirt limiting the travel and also - check the big return spring. They often get stretched and don't let the linkage return to "full on" position.

The problems you had with the isolator are common. It was, and is, the #1 failure point on those crawlers. We used to have a line of them at the shop awaiting repairs. The early 350s did not have it, and held up better. And, the later 350s don't have it either. It was eliminated with the 350D series and on. Deere sells upgrade kits to eliminate it in a C, but kit probably costs a fortune. Hopefully, your's was done correctly. It is very easy to assembly one with all new parts and have it blow to pieces in a week.

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Rcrawford

02-18-2007 17:34:22




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 Re: JD 350C reverser adjustment in reply to jdemaris, 02-18-2007 06:52:37  
Thank you for the info, you said the retrofit to remove the isolator cost a fortune it can't be as bad as the $1200.00 dollars I spent for just the parts.(ouch!) What did you mean when you said you hope it was put in right? I put it in and it looked straight forward to me, do you think I missed something? If you know something please let me know. I plan to pull the motor and rebuild it soon, if I need to do something else that would be the ideal time to rehash the isolator.....

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jdemaris

02-18-2007 18:30:17




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 Re: JD 350C reverser adjustment in reply to Rcrawford, 02-18-2007 17:34:22  
$1200 !! I guess I'll never get used to some of these prices I hear. I haven't worked for a Deere dealer since 1991 - seems things have gone up considerably since then. Did you ever read the Deere spec. sheets on the 350C "certified relife" program? Deere buys 350Cs and 450Cs back, updates them and resells - at a huge price. The reason being - there is demand in the U.S. for that weight-class of dozer - and nobody in the U.S. makes them that small anymore. So, Deere buys 350Cs, updates and refurbishes, and even sticks on a new serial # tag. Last I checked, if you furnish the 350C, plus give them and extra $70,000 - they do the rest! What a deal. They put in the new-style solid isolator, a new 179 c.i. engine, and a few other goodies. I'd love to get the stuff they remove.

To answer your question about the isolator. There can't be much wear on anything. The springs, anchor posts, clips, the main plate with facing, etc. must all be good. The outside of the spring-hooks need to face the proper direction (open ends away from direction of rotation), and lots of high-strength Loctite on everything. Besides that, the pilot bearing must be good and the front-shaft in the reverser needs to have the proper end-play (.002" - .004"). If the input shaft is too loose - you have to pull the reverser out to fix and/or adjust it. With the isolator, often what does them in early after a new installation is - if one of the outside clips gets cocked - and then rubs.

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Rcrawford

02-18-2007 19:41:03




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 Re: JD 350C reverser adjustment in reply to jdemaris, 02-18-2007 18:30:17  
All the above hardware is new thats part of the 1200 dollars. Deere does not make the short axles anymore (no longer avalible) bummer. I picked the little crawler up for $1000.00. So far I have put both new frame rails new isolator plate and hardware. I want to go through the motor still and narrow the crawler to the nomal stance. put new berco tracks on it and I will be in business..... ..



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jdemaris

02-19-2007 06:32:00




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 Re: JD 350C reverser adjustment in reply to Rcrawford, 02-18-2007 19:41:03  
If your side-frames were broken, you might have other problems. They usually do not crack unless the final-drives, reverser-to-transmission case, etc. are loose and moving against each-other. Reversers rarely get reinstalled properly and tightened against the transmisson case. After a h while, the mounting dowels and locating holes get egg-shaped and side-frames snap, over and over. Same goes for loose steering clutch housings and finals.

The $1000 sounds like a very good starting price - but with part's cost- it's kind of hard to tell what a good deal is anymore. My farmer-neighbor bought a first-series 350 last year for $3000. It has a mechancial 6-way blade, no-reverser, winch, undercarriage and steering clutches bad, but a good running 152 c.i. diesel.

And, silly me - although I was a Deere mechanic much of my life, I bought a very-beat up Allis Chalmers HD4 with a 6-way hydraulic blade for $3900. When, and if - I ever get all done fixing everything on it - I might have been ahead buying a $6000 - $7000 machine already fixed up and running. But - at least when I finish mine, I know exacty what I have - since I've got to meet - up front and personal - just about every moving part in it.

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Rcrawford

02-19-2007 16:03:30




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 Re: JD 350C reverser adjustment in reply to jdemaris, 02-19-2007 06:32:00  
Engine to reverser was tight. Reverser to transmission was super tight transmission to finals were so tight I broke a break-over getting it loose it was just the frame rails were cracked and broke out they were loose (handy)where they bolted up to the finals this let whole drive train rock in the frame.



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jdemaris

02-17-2007 17:34:57




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 Word police stopping replies again in reply to Rcrawford, 02-17-2007 16:30:14  
I've tried to reply to you several times, and my message keeps getting blocked - telling me I'm using inproper words??? I've read, over and over trying to figure it out. Maybe it's the mention of a "scr*w" in your crawler? If so, this is getting rediculous.

When you say you can't get it right - what exactly do you mean? The pressures you're mentioning probably will not effect the feel of shift - no matter what you do - unless they are way out of range. The reverser in the C-series runs a little higher pressure than the older 350s - because the reverser pump has to power the steering-clutches also. Many 350Cs never shifted the same - from forward-to-reverse, as reverse-to-forward. When the crawler is hot - and transmission in 2nd gear, engine at full throttle, you should be able to shift from forward to reverse (without touching the clutch pedal) and it should be firm but NOT snap your neck. This you adjust with the rate-of-shift jet-scr*w you already mentioned. If you are getting some sort of delay or hang-up midway through a shift - the reverser probably has internal problems - or the accumlator stroke is set wrong inside the control-valve assembly.

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Rcrawford

02-18-2007 06:32:22




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 Re: Word police stopping replies again in reply to jdemaris, 02-17-2007 17:34:57  
I guess I am asking for the proceedure to adjust the accumlator stroke. Are there shims involed in the adjustment?



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Roy Suomi

02-17-2007 17:34:07




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 Re: JD 350C reverser adjustment in reply to Rcrawford, 02-17-2007 16:30:14  
I forgot to ask if the isolator springs came apart?? If so I hope you took the flywheel off to clean out the pieces of springs that get caught behind the flywheel and bind up the engine like it locked up...All it takes is one small piece of broken spring to stop that engine....



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Rcrawford

02-18-2007 06:29:35




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 Re: JD 350C reverser adjustment in reply to Roy Suomi, 02-17-2007 17:34:07  
I got all the pieces I was not in a hurry to buy a new starter.. Thanks for the info.



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Roy Suomi

02-17-2007 17:29:24




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 Re: JD 350C reverser adjustment in reply to Rcrawford, 02-17-2007 16:30:14  
Man , It's been over 20 years since I've done a reverser in a crawler....Pull up the floorboards , And look for the reverser control valve under where your left foot would rest , behind the clutch pedal..On the top of the control valve there will be 2 - 1/8 pipe plugs..One is on an angle[ casting is angled]..This one is the lube pressure...There's another that is straight up , this one's the operating pressure test port. Put a 200 lb. gauge in the operating pressure port..This will show pressures as you shift the reverser [ gear transmission in neutral, brake locked down ]. Just a quick question, Did this reverser always shift aggresivly?? Is the seat missing for the needle valve??..Is the pressure too high??Or maybe the accumulator piston inside the reverser control valve is stuck in it's bore..If memory serves , I think the reverser pressure should be around 135 Lbs..

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