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uncle

04-11-2007 20:29:13




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I found a 453 Detroit for my Bantam Excavator and the spec says its counterclockwise rotation.
Does anyone know the rotation direction on this machine and if need be, how do you change rotation on a detroit?




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rpg52

04-15-2007 09:12:07




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 Re: Detroit 53 rotation in reply to uncle, 04-11-2007 20:29:13  
I'd advise going to the Detroit Diesel forum and ask again. I think you have to change a lot of things to change direction. Fuel pump, govenor, etc. Ask someone who knows. Go here:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DetroitDiesel/



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NC wayne

04-12-2007 19:29:07




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 Re: Detroit 53 rotation in reply to uncle, 04-11-2007 20:29:13  
As another post said there are 8 different configurations and because the engines can be reconfigured the serial number isn't always right. In my experience though most people don't go through the expense of tearing one down far enough to change the rotation when they can simply rebuild the old one for not alot more money. That said check the serial numbers on your engine and on the one your looking at. There will be four digits to begin with (yyyy) followed by a dash and four more digits (yyyy-yyyy) The number you need to check for is the fifth digit (yyyy-1yyyy). The rotation is stated facing the flywheel end of the engine. #1= LA or CW rotation,blower and cam on left side--#2=LB or CW rotation, blower on right cam on left--#3=LC or CW rotation blower and cam on right--#4=LD or CW rotation, blower onright cam on left--#5=RA or CCW rotation, blower and cam on left--#6= RB or CCW rotation, blower left cam on right--#7= RC or CCW rotation, blower and cam on right--8= RD or CCW rotation, blower on right cam on left----- -You can tell which side the cam is on inside the engine because it'll be on the opposite side from the exhaust. Looking at the pic in the lube manual the engine in that machine has the blower on the left side and the exhaust on the right. This narrows it down to either a #1 LA or #5 RA. The best way to tell from there would be to pull the starter and kick it over and see which way it's gonna turn the engine. As for changing the rotation it gets pretty involved even going from two with the same basic configuration but different rotations(ie RA and LA). Just going from memory here but I know at a minimum you have to pull the oil pan, head, flywheel housing, and front cover to gain access to the cam, idler gear, and balance shaft to swap their positions. Then, I believe, you also have to change the oil pump to allow for the reverse rotation. In other words it's pretty involved just to change direction on two similar engines. If you go beyond that you get into swapping ends with the block, changing plugged ports in the block, etc etc etc, in other words a real major undertaking So if your gonna have to tear the engine down that far and spend the time and money for all the gasket kits, etc just to change the rotation in a used engine, then in the long run you'd be money ahead to spend a little more and go ahead and have your old one rebuilt. But that's just my opinion and in my case the only real expense would be the parts since I already have the special tooling needed and I'd be doing all my own work so there be no labor charges involved except for whatever I had to spend with the machine shop..... . That said check the serial numbers and the starter rotation and see what you find, and as I've said before feel free to email me if you have any other questions. Wayne

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JLB2

04-12-2007 14:17:12




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 Re: Detroit 53 rotation in reply to uncle, 04-11-2007 20:29:13  
cam shaft will need to be for the rotation you are using,they are different



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ScifiTractor

04-12-2007 00:35:39




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 Re: Detroit 53 rotation in reply to uncle, 04-11-2007 20:29:13  
OK, I was wrong. If you have to turn the block you will have to remove the crankshaft and put it in the right way.



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ScifiTractor

04-12-2007 00:31:16




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 Re: Detroit 53 rotation in reply to uncle, 04-11-2007 20:29:13  
I don't know about the Bantam, but I do know there are actually 8 total different configurations for any Detroit 2 cycle. Four right hand turning, or clockwise, configurations and four left hand turning, or counter-clockwise, configurations as viewed from the back. Most of the time, but not always, the rotation is denoted by either an "R" or "L" stamped on the side of the block towards the top near the head. In addition to this there should be another letter, A,B,C, or D, stamped there as well. This more or less denotes the location of the blower and exhaust manifold as well as a few other accessories. It's important to remember that when GM engineered these motors that they wanted them to be adaptable for just about any application and as they have been rebuilt over the years sometimes the configurations change. So what may actually be stamped may not neccessarily be correct. To actually change the rotation, the motor needs to be tore down for the most part. The block needs to be positioned correctly depending on which side you need the blower for your particular application. The camshaft needs to be positioned correctly in conjunction with the head depending on which side of the motor your exhaust manifold needs to be on for your application. Then of course some of the gear train needs to be swapped around too so the blower, oil pump, etc will all spin the right way. You really don't need to do anything with the bottom end. That might be more information than you actually wanted but I hope it helps.

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CENTAUR

04-11-2007 23:54:38




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 Re: Detroit 53 rotation in reply to uncle, 04-11-2007 20:29:13  
These type of engines were of complete symmetry design in that you could put them together to run CW or CCW.put the blower on the left or right or the head on this way or that way.Cam on the left or right .Crankshaft one way or the other.This is as I remember them.Its been 55yrs.A lot of water has went under the bridge since then. CENTAUR



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