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D3 big enough to build pond?

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John Pruskowski

06-04-2007 06:05:19




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My uncles old D6 is on the fritz and I plan on building a pond soon. The local Cat dealer has a D3 for rent. Is a D3 capable of building a 1-2 acre pond in upstate NY (Soil is combination of hardpan and large rocks? If so, what problems would using the smaller machine present? Thanks for your help.




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steve n carol

06-04-2007 18:26:40




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 Re: D3 big enough to build pond? in reply to John Pruskowski, 06-04-2007 06:05:19  
john, you cam check out pondboss.com they have lots of info there on ponds. sl



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Greg_Ky

06-04-2007 11:02:17




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 Re: D3 big enough to build pond? in reply to John Pruskowski, 06-04-2007 06:05:19  
In a word NO



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NEsota

06-04-2007 09:33:09




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 Re: D3 big enough to build pond? in reply to John Pruskowski, 06-04-2007 06:05:19  
Last year we built a dam for a pond in S.E. NE. The structure had 6000 yards of dirt in it. A D6 dozer with the bells and whistles was on site but the dirt was hauled in a 10 yard hydraulic scoop (four circuits), pulled with a FWA CaseIH. One hundred yards is the max any dirt had to be moved. My conclusion is that hauling dirt is faster, cheaper and better if you have much to move or very far to go with it. My uneducated guess is that this project would have cost 2-3 times what it did if the dirt were pushed rather than hauled. A D3 would have been out of the question on this job.

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Billy NY

06-04-2007 07:37:27




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 Re: D3 big enough to build pond? in reply to John Pruskowski, 06-04-2007 06:05:19  
Usually considered a grading tractor, although people will try it, years ago, I used to work for a friend who did excavation jobs, operating those size tractors, he used to take jobs like building ponds that outclassed the size tractor or equipment needed, and would attempt jobs at wrong time of year, no fun when you really need something else to do the job. I've encountered those soil conditions while operating equipment for site contractors years ago, it's not easy to deal with rocks, especially if they are the size of a D3, smaller rocks the better when using a dozer, larger rocks, better to have a big excavator, use the dozer to push off the spoil.

The first thing that comes to mind with a D3, even late model, is that the blade is 6 way, unlike on larger tractors, they have side push arms mounted to the track frames. You could damage a 6 way when trying to get the edge of the blade onto a large rock. You will be able to strip soil from the site, but once you get into those rocks it may be difficult going depending on their size, if they are like in the mountains, you won't get far, but if like in the glacial till around here, it may go easier even with some larger rocks, hardpan with rocks, that could be some tough digging.

Consider your excavation depth, size of pond, estimate the amount of material you would like to move, then look at your pushing distances, even when making a slot to push off excavated material, the longer you have to push it, the less effecient it is to use a dozer, small grading tractor will have to make a lot of passes, 1-2 acre pond is large enough to create a lot of fill, depending on how deep you want to go.

Never hurts to give it a try, strip some topsoil, work a machine for a day, see what it does, but the time comes quick when you need to make a decision as to whether it will do the work you need done. Once you open a site up, also have to consider what if you don't finish and it starts to fill with water etc. It's nice to get a pond excavated and graded promptly, while it's dry, get part of the way through, can make things difficult depending on the site and soil conditions.

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swms301

06-04-2007 06:48:56




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 Re: D3 big enough to build pond? in reply to John Pruskowski, 06-04-2007 06:05:19  
Probably not. But also depends on how much time you have. The D3 won't carry very much dirt very far or fast. Pushing boulders will be a challenge, but could be fun once you get them to the point you can roll them. Typically a D3 size dozer is used for finish work, not real excavation. Good luck.



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