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Gary

01-02-2002 11:56:14




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I have the chance to buy either a JD 440 crawler loader or a Cat 22 with blade and winch. I have 20 acres of mountain. A lot of it is about a 30 degree angle, and lots of trees about a foot in diameter. I want to put in a fence line. I am also going to buy a TD 24 cable blade With tilt and angle, and a winch. Any ideas as to what would work the best for me?
Thanks, Gary.




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Canadian Cowboy

01-07-2002 18:07:51




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 Re: Crawler vs Loader in reply to Gary, 01-02-2002 11:56:14  
save your money and don't buy any of that old junk, hold off till you have $10,000 and then get your self a crawler loader in the 350 size. But in the men time don't hesitate if you come across a decent 8ft wide blade, some thing off a wrecked cat. Once you get your C/L you can put the blade on where the bucket goes, know you have the best off both worlds, a dozer and a loader.

do you fancy your self a decent mechanic, the ones your looking at sound a little like "mechanic Specials"

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bryan

01-04-2002 22:21:38




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 Re: Crawler vs Loader in reply to Gary, 01-02-2002 11:56:14  
If I had only one piece of equipment on the farm it would be a backhoe, a case or a cat only. It can dig your stumps, build your roads. It will do everything a doser will do and more, just in a little different way. A very good case backhoe can be had from railroad actions from $8500 to $12500. Their stuff all has recent motors and other maintainence whether it was needed or not. IT IS TWO TO THREE TIMES CHEAPER TO PAY THE EXTRA AND GET A GOOD TRACTOR. jUNK BECOMES EXPENSIVE

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bryan

01-04-2002 21:55:16




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 Re: Crawler vs Loader in reply to Gary, 01-02-2002 11:56:14  
Gary, here is the real answer to the choices. Don't buy any of the old junk. Hire out the dirt work and tree pushing or just cut the trees stumps to the ground and paint the stumps to keep them from sprouting. If you reall want a tractor get yourself a 27 hp, 4-wheel drive new holland with a loader or equivalent. Something that is easy to trailer, won't be breaking down, and can be hired out on a regular money making basis. The old tractors are works of art but the three in queston here are old. The TD 24 and the JD are at least 50 years old and the cat 22 is about 70 years old. You can hunt and fish, or mechanic.

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bryan

01-04-2002 21:35:57




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 Re: Crawler vs Loader in reply to Gary, 01-02-2002 11:56:14  
The "cat 22" is the gas version of the "cat D2". It is is more rare than the D2 and parts will be harder to come by than the JD 440. The cat is the superior, the work horse, and by far the caddalac of tractors. The sad truth is even though both tractors are good on hillsides, good with the plow and real handy, neither tractor will push 12 inch trees. The fact is they won't push 5 inch trees. If you are going to be pushing trees, roads and fields you need a cat D4 or D6 but you could settle for the TD 24 keeping in mind that a machine this old can't work like a modern machine. Always keep the pads flat, run at 1/3 or 1/2 throttle and don't spin the tracks and you will run a long time. The first time that you show-off will probably break something and the next two months along with about $1500 will both be spent in missery. The other answer here is to buy the cat or the JD and hire out the dirt work to someone with a larger tractor. Buy th cat or the JD according to which one is in the best condition and or which one has the widest gauge tracks and the widest pads. The cat has a swing frame which makes riding smoother and safer. The JD dosn't but the JD is lighter weight and the tracks and rails will last a lot longer and john deers are really easy to work on.

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mike

01-03-2002 23:25:54




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 Re: Crawler vs Loader in reply to Gary, 01-02-2002 11:56:14  
if you are going to buy the td 24 then get a loader as it will do way more things than a dozer but not push as much i have a d8 2u a jd 420 loader a case 750 loader and a td6 (that dont run) also had a420 dozer it was to light to do much though but anyway for a small machine i would take the loader



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bcPA

01-03-2002 17:46:12




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 Re: Crawler vs Loader in reply to Gary, 01-02-2002 11:56:14  
I would check out whaT it would cost to have someone come and put in the roads for you with their machine. I have 40 acres mostly on the side of a mt. and instead of killing our older loader on tracks I paid a grand to have some roads put in. Now I can easily drive my machine up to the top of the mountain. I believe I would have killed our older loader on tracks doing the work I paid to have done. I found someone who I knew who wouldnt overcharge me and I waited about 6 months for his machine to be in my neighborhood so it was at his convenience and he did not have to move the machine to my location. I have a nice road and I still have a useable machine rather than a pile of unusable parts broke down on a side hill where its a pain to try to get it out of. I like a loader on tracks better than a dozer. It is very difficult to load a truck with a dozer but a loader can be used to do a dozers job to some extent.

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Farmered

01-03-2002 05:23:19




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 Re: Crawler vs Loader in reply to Gary, 01-02-2002 11:56:14  
Remember that frozen ground can be as slippery as ice for any crawler type with cleats. I once tipped over a JD MC When it skidded over a bank on frozen ground. The ground was bare with ice crystals in it. The tractor was on about a 10 degree slope and went so fast that I didn't have a chance to react. I was lucky to be thrown clear. Ed



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Dan-O

01-02-2002 21:46:26




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 Re: Crawler vs Loader in reply to Gary, 01-02-2002 11:56:14  
Gary I have a crawler with a 6-way blade which I used to clean up ten acres. I wish I would have purchased a loader due to being able to knock out trees easier because the bucket can reach much higher up on a tree than a straight blade. You can also haul stumps and rocks much easier than trying to push them, if you must move them over long distances. The only drawback for me, is the crawler is great for building roads and contouring grades at a lot faster pace.

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VaTom

01-03-2002 15:30:47




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 Re: Re: Crawler vs Loader in reply to Dan-O, 01-02-2002 21:46:26  
I'd agree with Dan-O. I have similar property with larger trees and up to 60% slopes. When you can only work a tree from one side, getting that bucket up in the air gives a lot more leverage. I cut in a road across one of the steepest slopes and really needed the loader to cut the roots of the larger trees. Again, working from only one side limits what you can do. HOWEVER, I had a JD 440 loader that I got tired of replacing final drive bearings in. It got replaced with something better balanced (and larger, if not newer) that says Cat on it for a couple thousand more.

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Gary

01-03-2002 22:20:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Crawler vs Loader in reply to VaTom, 01-03-2002 15:30:47  
Sounds like the 440 has a week point. I can get a TS 5 with a stuck 2-53 gm diesel. It is really tired, but i don't have lots to do. Just be nice to have one around to use for projects as needed.The 440 is going for 5,000, the TS 5 for 500. Was even thinking of mounting a removeable backhoe on it, instead of buying a backhoe also.
Concinses seems to be to go for the crawler loader.
Thanks, Gary.

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bryan

01-05-2002 09:27:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Crawler vs Loader in reply to Gary, 01-03-2002 22:20:55  
Gary, if you do get that TS 5 with the stuck engine listen to this. I've unstuck motors with a bottle of coke a cola. Pour some in each cylinder and wait 20-30 minutes, then start bumping the starter. When it breaks loose, fill the cylinders with oil and spin the motor to flush out the coke. Do this a few times. Then fire up the motor. Coke will eat the rust of a motor quick. Don't pull the heads or nothin'. Easy.

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VaTom

01-04-2002 05:09:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Crawler vs Loader in reply to Gary, 01-03-2002 22:20:55  
While I don't have the experience of a lot of these guys, I felt a little guilty taking $5500 for my 440. And there was a second buyer who was very disappointed. Probably a fine tractor if you keep it off mtns and don't try to push over large trees. My Cat 933 (also loader) set me back $7500 which was about right for here. What a difference! I haven't been into the bearings yet and my wife loves the new driveway. The Cat can get pushed to stalling and nothing breaks. Both those old tractors had parts the mfgs. quit supplying unfortunately. But I guess everybody on this list has had that problem. Good luck with your project. And be careful.

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crawlerjohn

01-02-2002 18:24:30




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 Re: Crawler vs Loader in reply to Gary, 01-02-2002 11:56:14  
The John Deere would be easier to get repair parts for and would work well if it has a 4-1 bucket but could be easier upset too.



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Pete

01-02-2002 23:51:08




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 Re: Re: Crawler vs Loader in reply to crawlerjohn, 01-02-2002 18:24:30  
If the loader has street pads the idea of working on 30 degree slope is not very appealing or smart. Consider what the majority of use is going to be and the safety considerations of the work you intend to do.



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