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older case with 4 way bucket

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r. Bond

06-28-2007 18:55:55




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I am looking at buying a case crawler loader, a 450 model but not sure. Has a drott 4 way bucket. have a lot of earth to move and level at my place and fed up with hiring a backhoe at $60 hr.
What should I look for on the machine regarding wear, and how many uses does the bucket have? Asking 5,000 ,Is it worth it.Where is the model plate on the machine? It is squarish with a black leather seat and arm rests-battery is under the left armrest. Grill has round holes in it.
please help-thanks

Any help appreciated..
Ron

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steve n carol

06-29-2007 19:27:44




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 Re: older case with 4 way bucket in reply to r. Bond, 06-28-2007 18:55:55  
rBond. There are lots to look for, I'll start with a few, I am sure others will chime in.
1) overheat? drive it around, work it, check coolant level before running.
2)check the engine oil level and condition. Does it look new? 3)Diesel? Gasoline? Dates on any of the filters?
4)Bring a amp gauge, is the battery getting charged?
5)Engine # should be behind the starter, but visible. bring a flashlight and rag w/some brake cleaner. Pull the breather cap, (if it has one) and check for blow by when it is running.
6)Hyd. leaks? check after running awhile and while you are operating them.
7) go lift somthing heavy. I think mine could lift 4-5K before the back of the crawler comes off of the ground, (no rear counterweight) on mine.
8)run it through the gears. forward and backwards.
9) there should be a transaxle dipstick under the seat. (just lift the seat bottom up). The fluid should be clean and clear. Does it smell burnt? is it full?
10) brakes were not much to be desired, but some still work okay, do these? do they 'grab'? do you have to 'pump' them to work?
11) Tracks, too tight is not a good thing, there should be some deflection, about 1-1/2", measured on the top, while backing against a log or 4x4 laynin on the ground.
12) The track adjuster is located behind the front wheel, called the idler wheel, Hopfully it's all there and working. You can look for rust around it's shaft (not a good sign), or mud packed around any of the undercarriage. 13) The bottom rollers I think there are 5 on each side, should all turn freely. watch them when someone else is driving...slowley. Sometimes these machines are used in wet or snow conditions which accelerates there life. They can also wear down, (kind of hard to explain) and will then work their way into the 'pin boss' on the track rail (sometimes refered to as the 'chain' or 'track link'. This wear is readly visible. If the rollers are worn down, most all of the links or rails will show a shiny spot where it is rubbing. About $1200.00 for rollers.
14) Pins and bushings. There are websites that address this you should look at them. Or at least 'google image' them. There is a man (I think it's a he) who goes by 'old magnet' read his website...good stuff!
15) The sprocket teeth if sharp, indicate wear or worn. They should be a bit flat on the tip.
16) back to the rails, using your flashlight, look for cracks or welded cracks.
17) while you are down there, look for oil leaks on the bottom of the machine.
18)loader, These have 'pins and bushings' at the connections. often these are loose or worn. These can be replaced, its just time and money.
probably one of the best TIPS...LOOK AT THE ZERK FITTINGS! are they used or abused????? ??

"any grease is better than no grease"!!!!

The matainiance of greasing is a tell tell sign of someone who is interested in there machine!!

Have fun, and lets hear back from you...sl

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r. Bond

07-02-2007 04:48:21




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 Re: older case with 4 way bucket in reply to steve n carol, 06-29-2007 19:27:44  
I was hot to buy it and did for $3700 cdn. Wish I had read your very knowledgeable note before I did. The track is worn on one side (right), one or two of the bushings are worn through. The track adjusters won't work. I took out the grease nipple on the right side, cleaned it, but it won't push out the tension ram. After using the machine for about 2 hours, the track sagged about 5-6 inches. I pulled out the ram adjuster with a come-along, and am going to block it with a piece of heavy flatstock so the track is at the proper tension. I intende to do some landscaping with the rig then sell it, now I'm into fixing it. Any thoughts?

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